Roadway Designs with Truckers in Mind

Discussion in 'Questions To Truckers From The General Public' started by Dallus, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. Dallus

    Dallus Bobtail Member

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    Hello everyone,

    I am a Civil Engineering student and for a Highway Design class we are assigned to redo a corridor of highway to make it truck friendly. I know nothing about trucks or what drivers like/dislike about roadways. I found this forum to see if I can get some input from everyone who experiences highways more than anyone else. So if you could, please let me know what you like and dislike about roadways. Geometric factors as well as user factors. Also what things are ok but may need to be improved. Anything is good at this point. Thanks for any help!


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  3. broncrider

    broncrider Road Train Member

    wide sweeping corners, wide travel lanes and shoulders.....truck only lanes would be nice, easy on/off access, rest areas

    think about that one time you took a long road trip......what would you have liked to see (keep in mind most truckers dive around 500 miles a day....some more some less)
     
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  4. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    Make the bridge clearance higher, the curves less sharp, if there's no shoulder there make one and for God's sake stop with the roundabouts already (Unless they are huge and wide and the exits are clearly marked and understood)..
     
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  5. Dallus

    Dallus Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the quick replies.

    As for lane width, what is a typical truck width? They give us lengths and heights, but no widths. And on that note, would 14' wide lanes be about right for trucks? This is for a highway (TX-183 between Dallas and Fort Worth) so it's mostly straight. But I can understand about sharp curves and stupid roundabouts.

    And for up/down grades, do they tend to bother drivers any? If there were truck only lanes and no passenger cars. I think the truck lane only idea is a good one.

    Easy acces would consist of long accel/decel lanes? Preferably with no weaving lanes maybe? This is a really good start and it makes me realize a lot of things us little cars take for granted!
     
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  6. 1nonly

    1nonly tease-y-ness

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    Trucks are 8' wide. Anything wider is oversize.

    Up/downgrades can be annoying with a heavy load, but they are part of the job and there's really no getting around them. Same with curves. Making them as gentle as possible is really the only solution here. It's just not pratical to blast every mountain out of the way!

    Long accel/decel lanes are a boon to truckers. With our weight, it naturally takes us longer to speed up/ slow down. When we're coming up on a short exit ramp, we have to slow down before leaving the traffic lanes, which causes tie-ups, beacause there is nearly always a four-wheeler tailgating us. Having to merge before getting up to highway speed causes problems, too, for obvious reasons.

    A truck only lane is cool, as long as that's not the only lane we're allowed in. We need to be able to pass each other as we're all governered at different speeds, and we all take hills at different speeds due to differing weights.

    I'd also add the concern of roadway smoothness. Our trucks don't absorb shock like a four-wheeler will, and a rough ride makes for a sore neck and a headache.
     
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  7. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    14' wide would be absolutely wonderful! Average 18 wheeler is 102 inches wide 13'6 tall and around 65-80' long give or take a few feet depending on style of truck, wheelbase etc.

    Truck only lanes are a good idea, but also when ending a lane, where possible, why not end the left lane(s) as opposed to the right lanes where most trucks reside?

    Longer accel and decel ramps are ideal. Grades, well there's not a whole lot you can do about mountains go up em' around em or through em. Hills can be a pain with a heavy load, just the way it goes. If it's not too much to do, keep it flat as possible.

    Left hand exits can be a pain as well (E.G. I-40 Memphis and Nashville) giving the trucker little time to run across several lanes to exit or continue on a highway is dangerous IMO during high peak traffic hours.
     
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  8. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    Obviously geography plays a big role in how you guys design a stretch of road but what other factors are involved? Do you run into property rights issues a lot and have to start from scratch? It seems in some places, some of the curves seem to be a bit on the sharp side for no apparent reason.

    What are some of the things you guys pull your hair out over? I realize you are a student but I would imagine you've talked to those you aspire to be and heard some of the pitfalls of the biz. Just wondering really how some of these things are planned.

    Some places, it's an amazing feat of engineering to see if you pay attention to the thought and labor that had to go into laying these routes down.
     
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  9. Dallus

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    A lot has to do with politics and land acquisition for the right of ways. That is probably the largest contributor to how curves are laid out on roadways. Another reason, believe it or not, is aesthetics. A poorly laid out road can look broken and jagged in the horizon.

    As for sharp curves, it probably was an issue with the right of way. They probably needed to connect 2 sections of roadway together and made the assumptions a bit aggressive and thus the sharper curve. You can also make a curve sharper if you bank it a substantial amount. But when you are in a snow/ice area this will pose a problem if traffic were to move slowly around that curve.

    But as for design of these curves or roadways, the extremes of design for each aspect of cars is used. Trucks are not looked at when choosing the design vehicle. (Until this project.) For example, for the height of a driver, you want to use a low vehicle because it's harder to see when you're down low. But when you want a stopping distance you use a truck that isn't able to stop on a dime.

    Oh and left hand exits should be banned. They were big in the 80s I believe because they are cheaper to build than a right hand exit. And most 4 wheelers (haha) don't realize that when you see the " EXIT ##" on the top and left of the highway signs, that means it's a left exit. If it's on the top and right it's a right exit.

    But keep the comments coming! This is really good feedback! Oh and accel/decel lane length for trucks should be about 1/4 mile or is that too much? I'm thinking the lane has to be a weave lane and the on highway truck and pass an entering truck and decel while the entering truck speeds up and merges on.
    And pavement...asphalt or concrete for smoothness?
     
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  10. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    Thanks! I prefer concrete because asphalt always seems to have those ridges in them from the constant heavy truck traffic and at times those ridges can be a real pain. 1/4 mile is plenty I think just try not to put the get on ramps going up a hill lol. I know that's not always possible.

    The most retarded scalehouse I've seen yet is on 495 around D.C. If you're coming southbound on 95 to 495 West/South, you have to enter the scale when it's open and the problem is, when you get back on 495 WB, they put you on the left (a truck restricted lane to boot) going up a steep hill.

    This wouldn't necessarily be so bad but the curve on the ramp to get to the accel lane is rather sharp so you have to take it easy and can't build up speed. Then they expect you to cross several lanes of traffic to get to the outside lane. It's ridiculous!

    If I think of more things (I'm sure I will) I'll surely add them. For the most part, you guys do a great job! Oh and the EXIT left and right on top of the sign, I didn't know that until I became a trucker. I also never really understood the number schemes, like odd for N/S and even for E/W. I never paid attention that belts off a main interstate (285 connector loop around Atlanta for example) always start with an even number and spurs always start with an odd number. I also didn't know the interstates were numbered from E/W according to how much land mass was left in the country to the south and the N/S interstates were numbered according to how much was left west of them. Pretty cool stuff and amazingly simple as well.
     
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  11. 1nonly

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    Concrete is better than asphalt not just for smoothness, but traction as well. Asphalt gets slippery quicker in rain and snow.
     
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