Scania 420 vs 360

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  1. Farhan

    Farhan Bobtail Member

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    I am told the front axle for a Scania 113 including suspension and the steer system would weigh around 800kgs and i was thinking having less tires would reduce rolling resistance and generally tire maintenance will be lower
     
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  3. Farhan

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    would a 14 speed help with for the case of 113 360 for instance using crawler gear to ensure minimal damage to driveline.
    i also have the option of a 114 360, its engine looks very similar to a 113 360 since both use mechanical fuel injectors although it has an 8 speed gearbox.
    both the 124 420 and 113 360 have a 14 speed gearbox.
     
  4. Farhan

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    ok
     
  5. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    You do know Scania has stopped making parts for the 3 series?
     
  6. x1Heavy

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    I wish people will stop thinking maintaince lower.

    One good set of potholes leave us replacing two tires once in a while where we live just after each winter.
     
  7. Farhan

    Farhan Bobtail Member

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    i did not know that but in our marker they are just one too many. i guess it is the old stock being used to keep these trucks on the road
     
  8. Snow Monster

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    Good morning.

    Had a look at Scania website, see they have two 14 speeds, one is overdrive, the other is direct drive with a 16.5 crawler gear. (I think)
    The direct drive would be better for your needs due to it's lower crawler gear, but with the small engine I fear it still might be too fast.

    For comparison:
    Typically, here in Canada, we can haul 140,000 lbs with super B trailers.
    You will see engines with 500 hp and 1850 ft/lb of torque or greater, with 3:90, 4:10 or 4:30 gears and an 18 speed transmission with 2 overdrive gears and a 14.4 crawler gear, they tend to have a target cruise speed of 90 to 105 km/h at 1500 rpm or higher.
     
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  9. Farhan

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    Good morning to you to,
    i think 16.5 crawler with a 3.8 would be sufficient for the scania with 420hp but for the 360hp 4.3 would be ok i guess though not too sure still.
    the intended speed for my application is around 50mph that is why more hp is not that necessary but just the correct gearing for the small engine is the key
     
  10. Snow Monster

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    I think you're pretty close in your thinking.
    Definitely a direct drive transmission with the deep bottom gear and deeper than a 3:42 rear ratio would be to your advantage.

    If you could find the power curves for those engines and manufacturer's driving recommendations it would make it much easier.

    I'm not familiar with the Euro trucks, but I imagine instruction would be similar to engines in the NA market.
    When hauling loads over 90,000 lbs they recommend using the high end of the power band, cruise at or near 1500 rpm to reduce stress on the engine and keep it in the sweet spot all the time.
    With big weight, the bottom end of your engine gets hammered a lot harder if your rpm's get too low, best to stay away from low rpms unless you are loaded light or empty.
     
  11. Farhan

    Farhan Bobtail Member

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    i did not know about maintaining the engine on its high end power band thanks a lot.
    yeah am pretty close though i think getting it right is proving quite challenging in terms of specing to the required power and speed levels since most people agree that a small engine with right gearing would be sufficient for the task at hand
     
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