Scania v8 730hp

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  1. JarradS

    JarradS Light Load Member

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    I suppose having an Australian production/testing facility helps Volvo, as does their market share ( they are second behind KW in the Aussie sales race).

    A lot of their success can be attributed to Max Winkless
     
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    About 140-150 000 kg ( ballpark 300k lbs range)
     
  4. 98989

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    i think those come as 170t in WA or 375k lbs


    are you guys able to find out what diff ratio use those volvos used in applications with 4 trailers? 4.55? 5.41?

    i saw those demo r620 use 4.72 and it seems to me they use 315/80 on drive axles not 295/80 or 11r22.5

    this look to me like to fast for 200t it is rated for

    indonesian guys use 7.18, volvo 7.21 and 12r24 tires for little bit higher weight (220t) ok their conditions are far more difficult ,20t per axle , humidity close to 100% pretty high temps( can go above 40C) , 24/7 operation, bad fuel ( in indonesia even 3500ppm fuel exist) lot of coal dust around some get in engine as well , raining every day everything covered with mud(they wash radiators twice every day because mud get in) , steep grades include series of 6 8 10 and 12% they shift from 6h to 4L and to CL on12%, no retarder and no veb+ only exhaust and veb on volvo, so downhill again in low gears

    route is 70-80km in one direction each driver make 5 trips, 2shifts per day so 1400-1600km per day, 7km is through deep mud they can go 10-15km in 3rd L or H gear , one of problems is coal dust with water make thin layer on road that is very slippery so uphills they lose traction often, restarting is pretty stressful for driveline components , one of worst places is starting in mud under excavator or on place where they clean coal ,so it is mud again and on unloading place where they after unload first trailer have 11-12t on drive axles and total weight of 135t to pull tirehop can result with lot of damage

    they use volvo fh16 550 and 610 but more often 550 because vt2814 is not strongest to cope with this conditions , and scania r580 with gearbox from r730( grso925 with 3pedal opticruise)

    first problems with driveline become between 6-8000 working hours , engine usually last for 2.5 years, they use trucks even 10year old

    tires usually last 2week due to high weight , high temperatures , wheelspining and if there is more mud they lower pressure
     
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  5. Down under trucker

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    Legal he can run 163T, 360,000 lb with his permits that's with 4 trailers or 124.5 T with 3. that combination tares at 65T, 143,000 lb. he has now changed to running what's called a AB quad. Which is 2 trailers and 2 Dolly's with a b-double behind it, he says having the b-double on the end gives the truck a lot more stability.
    He also said some guys are now running a 10x6 ridged with a body straight to a dolly with a triple road train, apparently they are getting about 3.5 T more with this combo.

    Obviously you have never been to outback Australia. 50 degrees C +. roads , what roads most of them are just tracks, no bridges creek crossings are very common and it isn't as flat as you think
     
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  6. 98989

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    not yet that is in plan one day , is that in shade? since there is no shade

    but i still think indonesia is worst in fact it is not problem in middle east and africa those kind of weights offroad at similar or even higher temps

    ,2years ago some companies in mongolia adopt this kind of transport(same as indonesia) but only 170t they even drive to china they are riding across gobi desert temps during winter -40 summer +50



    how are those guys getting any traction? i was looking recently popular video called roadtrain fail , taken at river crossing ,


    those guys in indonesia have 40t on 2drive axles and still get problems with traction larger 12r24 and extra slow transmission, you have only 22.5t on 3drive or 17.5 on tandem
     
  7. king Q

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    I agree , those Indonesian guys murder the trucks.
    In southern Africa I only know of 3 locations using road trains but the roads are not as bad as some I have seen in other locations.
    They started out using Mack Titan tri drives and then Western Star tri drives but now mainly use Mercedes heavy haul spec.
     
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    i also think nothing in world is as bad as what they do all this would not be problem if surface is hard and dry without wheelspinning

    there is now about 3700scania trucks in indonesia most of that in mines ( most is above 70%) and they are enough strong buyer to demand improvements. and i believe that lot of improvements come from their demand we also prosper of


    for example they bought in 2003 164g 580 6x4 , standard grs920r gearbox rbp832+rp832 5.18:1 ratio , they could load 120-125t so gross about 175-180, they were breaking mainshaft in gearbox , some time latter(in feb2004) scania offered new differentials rbp832+rp832

    than since may 2008 they got 6.5 axle ratio , some opt for overdrive gearbox with it some stay with direct grs905 ,

    than they needed stronger differentials and slower transmission again and they got 7.18 ratio with 4.21 hub ratio stronger halfshafts in june 2011 , also

    they got r730 gearbox and also reinforced ad1600p axle ....now trucks are able to cope with 165t of coal or total 220-225 ....

    some early examples(i know for 5trucks) of r730 gearbox went down at 4000 working hours(so about 6months) spliter went bad at high possition , scania send different gearboxes with double syncronisers


    i think manufacturers should test their new models there , this is worst environment and you get response very quick

    dont know how development went for volvo , as i saw they had already 7.21 long time ago , but volvo recently offered stronger 33t axles





    find somewhere at astra site cant find it anymore so i take image from my pc , looks like those are australian trailers
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    do you know what kind or do you have any pics? not sure is standard mercedes able to cope with this , on other hand SLT is too expensive to run

    mercedes get only 6:1 axle ratio and their gearbox are bit fast they even have triple overdrive 0.57:1 ....now g280-16 is 0.69
     
  9. Down under trucker

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    These are road trucks as well used on public roads,
    For off road and mines use Kenworth c510 twin steer tri drives or the newer c540 which carry up to 500T with powered trailers.

    The c510 is road legal, they had to use twin steer because of the weight of the qsk19, they also use a road ranger and are rated at over 300T but not sure of the exact amount

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    The c540 isn't road legal, they are too heavy and two wide. When used with a powerd trailer which has a 600hp isx in it they gross up to 500 T or 1.1 million pounds

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  10. 98989

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    i dont like mixing mass production trucks with monster trucks

    i am not even sure does c510 fit as normal truck since this qsk as i am informed does not come in normal trucks

    otherwise we could end at monsters like nicolas tractomas (as much i see they are presenting them to mining industry 535t gross or 800t)

    or things like titan which is relatively based on mass production components ( cab gearbox engine and transfer box from normal mercedes range) which come with 1000t capacity
     
  11. king Q

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    This is the first Astra I have seen with a road train here.
    I see it is the same company as below Unitrans.
    I can tell by the nimber plate that it is in another province so I guess they have another site using road trains now.Thoes could be Austrailian trailers as I know in Zimbabwe they also started with Australian trailers.The trailers behind the Western Star below are local (South African) trailers by Afrit.

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    Mining operators across the world are agog for news on South Africa's longest but also safest road trains, which Unitrans Mining and Agriculture started operating at Richards Bay Minerals late in 2012.
    Designed to eliminate the whiplashing effect which any small steering correction up front can have on the last wagon, the new road trains are 42.15m long, with a Western Star three-axle truck tractor hauling four side tippers.
    While detailed information on load and axle configurations are proprietorial to Unitrans, Gert Brits, General Manager of Mining Services at Unitrans Freight and Logistics, said he was very satisfied with the efficiencies that their unique adaption to traditional heavy haul configurations have achieved during its first quarter of operations.
    Unitrans has co-operated with Afrit and the South African Council for Scientific Industrial Research to develop a performance based-standard that would ensure their road trains are among the safest in the world.
    Weighing in at 60 tons empty, the efficiencies achieved in designing the new road trains now enable Unitrans to deliver 15% more payload compared to their older system.
    André van de Wetering, Managing Director at Afrit, said the side tippers have been designed to achieve the optimum balance between weight and durability. Afrit called on all the company's expertise while delivering loads throughout southern Africa during the past four decades.
    Despite riding on 60 tyres, Van de Wetering said Afrit's four-tipper system has proven to track true on any road surface. Four drivers operate each road train 24 hours a day and these teams all report that steering the new road train is actually easier than controlling the shorter road trains still in use at Richards bay Minerals.




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    Not to be seen on South African public roads is this magnificent road-train operating at Richards Bay Minerals on private mine property. The vehicle combination has an overall length of 38,6 metres, carries a payload of 108 tons and is plated by DaimlerChrysler at 150 000kgs GCM for maximum grades of up to 7%. While the GCM is far in excess of Road Traffic Act/Bridge Formula norms of 56 tons, axle masses do not exceed 9 tons per axle. The road-trains operate with four drivers per rig 24 hours around the clock, in three eight hour shifts at an average fuel consumption of 107 litres/100 km. This means that service intervals are reduced to 10 000 kms with a bi-weekly inspection that takes up one eight-hour working shift for a full combination.

    The nine new Mercedes-Benz Actros 3348 truck tractors supplied to Unitrans for its RBM operation are equipped with 'Telligent' auto-shift transmissions. Final drive ratios of 5,1 can attain 99,4 kph at 1 800 rpm but all 3348's are governed to a maximum of 80 kph for this operation. An interesting specification adjustment is that these Actros are fitted with drum brakes instead of disc brakes on every axle.

    Each trailer is equipped with parasols that are raised to facilitate loading by front-end loader and when closed down, prevent any heavy metal concentrate spilling on the road. Increased efficiency has meant that combinations of Mercedes 2644's with four bottom-dump trailers have been replaced by Actros 3348's with three side-tippers - both combinations offering 108 tons payload. Nine Mercedes-Benz model 3348 truck tractors and 27 trailers generate 1,2 million kilometres per annum.

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    [TD="width: 50%"]NO OVERLOADING:
    Unitrans owns and strictly controls loading operations to prevent overloading. The front-end loader is equipped with a load cell that tells the operator he has now lifted 9 tons of heavy metal concentrate (HMC) - four throws of every 9-ton bucket adds up to 36 tons payload per trailer. The HMC has a specific gravity of 2,6 that equals a total cubic capacity on the trailers of 42 m3.
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    Jo Grové, chief executive of Unitrans Limited, stresses the partnership concept: "Our operation at Richards Bay Minerals (RBM) expresses the competency of one of Unitrans' core values to be a force in the mining industry and to travel the roads less traveled. Our relationship with RBM goes back 17 years so we really understand RBM's culture of safety standards and environmental care - and we fit in with these. It is not just about consistently delivering low cost of transport but operating within the special demands of an RBM culture."
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    Bringing home results for Unitrans shareholders on roads less travelled, from left to right: Fil Morkel - General Manager of Mining & Forest Products Division, Roger Naisby - Group Managing Director of Freight Division, Jo Grové - Chief Executive of Unitrans Ltd, Kevin Rock, Karl Wellman and Jim Mason.
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    [TD="width: 50%"]AUSTRALIAN TECHNOLOGY:
    Each side-tipping trailer discharges its 36-ton load of heavy metal concentrate in turn into a grid hopper for processing at RBM plants. Afrit Empangeni assembles the Azmeb-Afrit Flexi-Tipper from kits manufactured by Azmeb in Darwin Australia using axles and suspensions from local sources. This Australian road-train technology provides reliable tracking characteristics and straight-line stability, enhanced by 19,5-inch rim and tyre equipment.
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    [TD="width: 100%"]STABILITY:
    The art of side-tipping operations is to achieve a full discharge of material that can stick in a bin while at the same time, maintain trailer stability without the trailer falling over sideways. Nonetheless, in one incident, wet product caused a trailer to capsize during unloading causing damage totaling R86 500. The fact that the load is discharged into a grid hopper means that this load does not spread under the trailer and bury the wheels - another common problem for side tipping operations.
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