Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Grant3787, Mar 31, 2022.

  1. Grant3787

    Grant3787 Light Load Member

    Sep 23, 2020
    So I do I all this complaining and it turns out they were right because I'm missing major important things. I appreciate the feed back. It was just frustrating because of all the hell you can go through sometimes, pull yourself out of it which you should be rewarded for, but instead you're chewed out by some other non expected issue.

    I'm sure youguys know what it's like when you have those days where it's complete hell, and you're the only one that can get yourselves out of it. There's no one to help you.

    Sometimes it's so much s$$$, that you can't even remember enough to tell someone about your day because you're too exhausted to even try to talk about it. I know I'm not the only one going through that.
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  3. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

    Jun 1, 2010
    It's not too rusty. It's hard getting good picture underneath the trailer.

    Bad Hook - or why you always use a flashlight to look at the jaws

    The Shiney bit is where the jaws lock in, the metal on metal contact keeps it clean. If you can see Shiney stuff, that means the jaws are not all the way across. It will hold until you make a right hand turn - the king pin will force the jaws open and as soon as you step on the brakes the trailer will drop.
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  4. Grant3787

    Grant3787 Light Load Member

    Sep 23, 2020
    Oh wow man. That's tragic. Man I'm so glad you showed me that. I was under the impression once the locking Jaw is locked, that's it. So that's a big learning lesson for me. Good to know that before I get caught with that.
  5. Phoenix Heavy Haul

    Phoenix Heavy Haul Light Load Member

    Feb 8, 2022
    Pulling a frame is similar to an RGN or beam as you can’t see the front corners of the trailer. It’s very easy to high or side hook one of these happened to me I’m cautious and get out and look anytime I switch to the beam trailer.

    In your case it appears you side hooked. You were to far right and the trailer kingpin rode up the driver side of the fifth wheel and took out the release. This is also very common when reconnecting an RGN neck to trailer. It’s tricky and could prove to be tough for a new driver.

    But #### happens, take it and learn from it and move on to the next adventure.
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  6. aussiejosh

    aussiejosh Road Train Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Airlie Beach QLd
    These kinds of incidents clearly indicate why so many are pushing for all CDL drivers to be properly trained, bottom line is if your backing somewhere and you can not see, you get a spotter you don't try and back if you can not see. The same with hooking up to a trailer, this is very easy to do, one drops the air bags backs under about 2/3 without actually hooking onto the king pin we then raise the airbags get out of the truck drop the landing gear about 1' so that the whole trailer is resting on the fifth wheel back the truck up till it locks on the king pin do the tug test get out hook up airlines, electrics, and whine the landing gear all the way up. Test brakes, and lights good to go.
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  7. Grant3787

    Grant3787 Light Load Member

    Sep 23, 2020
    Yeah you're correct sir thanks. When I went into the training, it was centered on bulk unloading and loading.
  8. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

    Nov 1, 2010
    Burnsville, MN
    Funny how people can blame the company for the mistakes of the driver.

    In both cases with the OP, a little more Getting Out And Looking would probably have prevented the dings.
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  9. drvrtech77

    drvrtech77 Road Train Member

    Mar 20, 2010
    Chalk it up as learning experience…be glad it go any further than that in regards to you driving off and it coming off…just remember..don’t get in a super hurry because dispatch or what ever other circumstances may have it tight schedule or whatever, double and triple check if need be..
  10. Grant3787

    Grant3787 Light Load Member

    Sep 23, 2020
    I agree with both you and professionalnoticer. Because all of the situations we pull ourselves out of that were not our fault goes unnoticed.

    Let's say the tablet the company gives you has a GPS map that's malfunctioning, and it takes you to a residential area facing all uphill. You've never been to this receiver before. GPS says you have arrived

    Now here you are parked uphill next to an apartment complex on a narrow road, and it's raining hard. You then have to back up blindsided into the driveway of the apartment complex and keep getting out to make sure you don't hit anything. You're also loaded with liquid and now facing downhill so you're trying to control the surge from rollover while accommodating traffic.

    You finally get it turned around to go back downhill and the actual correct receiver's address is 39 miles away. You drive there fighting through California traffic so it takes you about 1 hour to 1 and a half hours.

    You reach the consignee and nobody speaks English. You start to call your driver leader until someone who speaks English finally helps you. He tells you to hook up your hoses.

    It's raining buckets but you go out and hook up your hoses. Get everything ready but then your internal valve won't open.

    But at this time you're not aware it's your internal valve causing the problem. You think the problem because the consignee turned on the air and pressurized your trailer before you opened the internal valve.

    So you take 20 to 30 minutes releasing all of the pressure out of your trailer before you attempt to unload again, and that's when you realize it's the internal valve.

    So now you pull down extremely hard on the internal valve jack of the intermodal tank, and suddenly the product starts coming out. But then the internal closes after 7 seconds. So you have to keep pulling down hardly on the internal valve every few seconds. Now your hands are hurting and your sweating.

    You keep going until you get most of the product out, until the internal valve stops opening completely. You had already called for emergency maintenance but they never showed up. It becomes to late so the consignee closed and you have to return the partially loaded trailer back to your station. The hose had some product inside so it starts leaking while you're driving.

    Anyways after tall this, no word or help from your driver manager.

    The next day your driver leader tells you she has scheduled you for training because of the minor incident that happened 2 months ago, although you have delivered over 30-50 loads since then.

    The trainer gets there and now you're in trouble for your bent fifth wheel release arm that you were going to repair before he came.

    Now you're on a conference call with three people from management who are telling you how serious this situation is and asking you for details so they can put it on your driving record.

    "Stay away from these megas" sounds pretty good to me!
  11. Woodys

    Woodys Heavy Load Member

    Mar 16, 2010
    Tampa, FL
    So listen, you actually seem like someone who is intelligent enough and just had some minor hiccups. This happens to every single one of us. You have to try your absolute best to stay clear of these hiccups. Get out and look, it could have saved you in both of these instances, and eventually it will save you from something major! At the end of the day we are all human and we goof up. But you also have to own up to your mistakes. We all have to do it now and again no one is perfect. Your trainer and boss are blowing this way out of proportion but sometimes (especially with megas) that's just how it goes.

    Not sure how this will all end with schneider. My advice? Well for starters you need to be more aware of everything that is going on. But specifically get out and look anytime you are not one hundred percent confident. Next time you goof up, don't panic. Bite the bullet, call someone, take some pictures, take your licks and move on. Good luck and keep trucking!
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