~ Seeking Your Opinion on a Fuel Price Guarantee Service

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by compassfile, Mar 14, 2023.

  1. compassfile

    compassfile Bobtail Member

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    Thank you skallagrime


    So what youre doing is using our money and investing elsewhere and hoping fuel goes down, if it goes up, you have to pay out the difference, as such, you have to make that difference elsewhere.
    The money that I would take from selling the contract is used to buy an Option to cover it.
    It does not matter much to me if prices go up or down since I have it covered.
     
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  3. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

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    I remember hearing how Southwest Airlines was really good at buying their fuel on a contract.They made out crazy good buying a huge amount just before the prices went high
     
  4. compassfile

    compassfile Bobtail Member

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    Thanks Brandt

    Point taken.
     
  5. compassfile

    compassfile Bobtail Member

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    Thank you Ridgeline,

    This is a great feedback.

    Let's be frank, this is not a new idea, it has been around for centuries for other things and if one was to engage in this form of hedging, it involved higher risk than waiting for the price to drop at the pump.
    The idea is old, agreed.
    I do not understand how hedging would be higher risk. Could you please explain?

    Options are used as a hedge against higher prices and if it is done right, someone could make it work however, it is a long shot.
    I agree. It is not a trivial task.

    essentially buying an option to buy Diesel at a strike price of say $4 and if the price goes up, the option is sold before it expires and you get the difference.
    Correct.


    The amount of fuel you "purchase" through the option is just a number,
    Correct. I am not buying Fuel.

    it just governs the difference in "savings" is based on that number, even if you don't use the fuel to optioned for, you still get the difference.

    True, I am not interested in buying the fuel itself, I am hedging its price.

    The problem sits with the fact that you can't guarantee the selling price will cover the difference from the pump price against that set price of $4.
    Small comment, My plan is to cover each contract with its own Option(s). This way when I get a claim to get the difference, I would liquidate these options.
    The difference between Buy&Sell for Option is the difference between fuel prices + some margin. This should allow me to cover the contract and get extra as profit.
     
  6. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    Limiting your potential customers to just one state will exclude OTR and regional O/Os & fleets.
     
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  7. Crude Truckin'

    Crude Truckin' Alien Spacecraft

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    Place your bets here!!!! There’s gonna be a “lock” symbol appearing here soon! :eek::eek::eek:
     
  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    The risk is with you. You are not approaching this as someone experienced with the process or how to sell it.

    See here is the problem, this is already being done and while it is common for bigger fleets, it isn't here because it isn't cost effective. The cost of the option and the associated fees having a (essentially) broker handle this as a hedge vehicle may not be as cosrt effective because the amount of money to make a good ROI has to include the road taxes, with the state and federal sales tax rolled into it. I know you will come back and explain this one way or another but to be effective it has to be at least a dollar spread on the option, which can happen but unlikely.

    Now if others want to know how this all works, go here and read about it.

    The Fundamentals of Diesel Fuel Hedging - Swaps
     
  9. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    I think you're right. Everyone has basically said the same thing to the OP...his idea is a bad one and it doesn't really favor the drivers.
    Time for the OP to back off and do some thinking.
    Maybe he can put all that brain power to work on a scheme that will actually do O/Os some good.
     
  10. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    In this day when diesel is being transitioned to other energy sources.

    Be tough to keep diesel prices up. So hedging wouldn't be a very smart move.

    Sort of like that whole moviepass idea. Didn't take them long to go bankrupt.
     
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  11. NH Guy

    NH Guy Medium Load Member

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    This is still going on? Another one trying to ride O/O coat tails. They see all the money an operator shells out on equipment so they assume they must be rolling in money to send to some guy noone has heard from before, only a guarantee of "trust me, im not like the others." In an industry plagued with shady practices anyone with half a brain will be highly skeptical.

    The guy just wants your cash so he can go play at options trading. Another that wants to just sit behind a computer screen who knows where and suck off the profits from someone who is doing the real work.
     
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