Thank you skallagrime
So what youre doing is using our money and investing elsewhere and hoping fuel goes down, if it goes up, you have to pay out the difference, as such, you have to make that difference elsewhere.
The money that I would take from selling the contract is used to buy an Option to cover it.
It does not matter much to me if prices go up or down since I have it covered.
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I remember hearing how Southwest Airlines was really good at buying their fuel on a contract.They made out crazy good buying a huge amount just before the prices went high
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Thanks Brandt
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Thank you Ridgeline,
This is a great feedback.
Let's be frank, this is not a new idea, it has been around for centuries for other things and if one was to engage in this form of hedging, it involved higher risk than waiting for the price to drop at the pump.
The idea is old, agreed.
I do not understand how hedging would be higher risk. Could you please explain?
Options are used as a hedge against higher prices and if it is done right, someone could make it work however, it is a long shot.
I agree. It is not a trivial task.
essentially buying an option to buy Diesel at a strike price of say $4 and if the price goes up, the option is sold before it expires and you get the difference.
Correct.
The amount of fuel you "purchase" through the option is just a number,
Correct. I am not buying Fuel.
it just governs the difference in "savings" is based on that number, even if you don't use the fuel to optioned for, you still get the difference.
True, I am not interested in buying the fuel itself, I am hedging its price.
The problem sits with the fact that you can't guarantee the selling price will cover the difference from the pump price against that set price of $4.
Small comment, My plan is to cover each contract with its own Option(s). This way when I get a claim to get the difference, I would liquidate these options.
The difference between Buy&Sell for Option is the difference between fuel prices + some margin. This should allow me to cover the contract and get extra as profit. -
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Place your bets here!!!! There’s gonna be a “lock” symbol appearing here soon!
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Now if others want to know how this all works, go here and read about it.
The Fundamentals of Diesel Fuel Hedging - SwapsRockinChair, JoeyJunk, compassfile and 1 other person Thank this. -
Time for the OP to back off and do some thinking.
Maybe he can put all that brain power to work on a scheme that will actually do O/Os some good.homeskillet, JoeyJunk, Bean Jr. and 6 others Thank this. -
In this day when diesel is being transitioned to other energy sources.
Be tough to keep diesel prices up. So hedging wouldn't be a very smart move.
Sort of like that whole moviepass idea. Didn't take them long to go bankrupt.Crude Truckin' and compassfile Thank this. -
This is still going on? Another one trying to ride O/O coat tails. They see all the money an operator shells out on equipment so they assume they must be rolling in money to send to some guy noone has heard from before, only a guarantee of "trust me, im not like the others." In an industry plagued with shady practices anyone with half a brain will be highly skeptical.
The guy just wants your cash so he can go play at options trading. Another that wants to just sit behind a computer screen who knows where and suck off the profits from someone who is doing the real work.JoeyJunk, Crude Truckin' and compassfile Thank this.
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