Shippers not reporting HAZMAT on bills?

Discussion in 'Shippers & Receivers - Good or Bad' started by truckerjaw, Feb 7, 2007.

  1. wallbanger

    wallbanger "Enemy of showers everywhere"

    You're partially correct: yes, most HM, under 1000 lbs, doesn't require placards. HOWEVER, HM must still be listed on the bills, and the driver must have those bills in case something should happen (accident, trlr fire, etc).
    Truckerjaw is right, certain types of HM require placards, no matter how little you may be hauling (radioactive,Explosive,Poisonous gases).

    TDC, this post got me reminiscing, back when I was doing P&D for ground, we not only had to bring in our P/U sheets, but also any HM paperwork AND the actual HM packages to our dispatch office. After the paperwork was checked (to make sure it was in order), the packages were then palletized to be loaded on outbound pups (on the rear, so they would be removed first). This was done , I'm sure, to keep track of the HM and to keep it from getting mixed in with general freight.
     
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  3. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I thought labels in TWO sides of the actual package were required, while, of course, placards are required on all four sides of your truck.

    Not necessarily. Just because you're carrying a quantity of a hazardous material that doesn't quite require placards, does NOT mean they will let you through either one of our tunnels with it.

    Funny thing about 11 skids of lighter fluid. If it weighs more than 8800 and something pounds, which 11 skids obviously does, and it is the ONLY freight loaded on the truck, you are required to show the ID number on the placard as if it were a bulk shipment.

    A bulk shipment is a container that holds 119 galons or more of a liquid. Totes hold about 300.

    Not necessarily. What you are referring to is called "Table 1"

    With radioactive freight, the only shipments requiring placards are those designated as "Yellow III" on the labels, as opposed to "White II" or "Yellow I". This is to differentiate between certain types of radioactives, like reactor fuel rods or weapons-grade Plutonium, as opposed to something relatively minor like Cesium-137.

    With explosives, class 1.4 is table 2, which is subject to the 1001 lb rule, while class 1.1 to 1.3 is table 1.

    Also, class 1.1-1.3 explosive and radioactive yellow label III shipments are highway route controlled, meaning you must have a written route plan in your possession issued by the company.

    No, you're right. ALL information about the shipment must be on the bill.
     
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  4. bubbavirus

    bubbavirus Medium Load Member

  5. tmellen58

    tmellen58 Bobtail Member

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    I personally havent had any occasion that the shipper attempted to smuggle hazmat into a load but have had hazmat loaded and provided with the inappropriate placarding.
    I literally had to argue the point with a shipper in mississippi a few years ago before leaving the account to provide me with the correct placarding. Helps immensely to have
    knowledge of the hazmat manual. From what I've heard its a heck of a fine if you run into
    a dot officer who know his p's and q's:biggrin_2551: on that issue. :biggrin_25510:
     
  6. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    There are hazardous substances that don't require placards, metallic nickel powder is one that I've hauled that doesn't always, it does require keeping it away from water, as it is exothermic. I was given placards for it and couldn't find it in the current book of regulations, I'm not sure what I should have done with it other than refuse to haul it. Hindsight is always better than not knowing what to do.

    AJ
     
  7. Sad_Panda

    Sad_Panda Road Train Member

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    Fred Meyers tried to sneak on almost 900 pounds of white fuel, propane cans, lighters and matches onto a drop and hook load without telling anyone. Fred Meyers is now on my list of places I'd like to choke people at.
     
  8. shaken

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    Here is a different spin on Hazmat loads and the DOT

    Had a buddy who was hauling for a major auto parts store. Had a drop & hook load set for export to Puerto Rico. BOLs stated he was hauling battery acid (a Hazmat load that was placarded correctly). He was stopped for inspection, but when DOT cut off the seal they found cookies and candy (that were NOT listed on the BOL) also in with the battery acid. This resulted in a $250 fine for the driver!

    When he called the company to :biggrin_25516:@&#&$:biggrin_25516:, they informed him that it was his fault -- that it was his responsiblity to know what he was hauling and he should have gone inside the shippers and asked the supervisor to cut off the seal so he could verify his BOL with what was inside the trailer!!!

    Apparently this company was trying to save a few bucks on the taxes/tariffs associated with exporting the cookies and candy!

    Talk about injustices to drivers... this has to be about the worst case scenario.
     
  9. slopoke1966

    slopoke1966 Bobtail Member

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    make sure your seal is intact and the shipper has signed the paperwork,you need to be able to read thier signature,and then maybe the officer won't take you to jail
     
  10. Lurchgs

    Lurchgs Road Train Member

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    I'm told that "Shipper loaded and sealed" will help - never experienced it myself
     
  11. BigKahunaFL

    BigKahunaFL Bobtail Member

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    I am not a driver yet, but I think at this point, I would have stayed at the dock and called the local Police or DOT and have that guy arrested or something. What an ##### wipe!

    Regarding the pre-sealed trailers; do you think it would make good practice to have the shipper break the seal for inspection and then reseal it once your done? Seems to me that if this were your normal policy (perhaps company policy), over time it might help reduce this type of thing from happening.

    Am I wrong?
     
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