Short Haul Exception

The 2 hour extension on your drive time. He can use the 16 hour short haul extension once a week to extend his work day from 12 hrs to 16 hrs.

 

No, he can use the short haul extension once a week to be able to drive past the 14th hour as long as drive time remains 11 or under. There is no extension to on duty hours. This extension gives you two extra hours(drive past 14). Been through this many times. Plus, local drivers can work past 12 hours, we follow the same DOT regs as everyone else(with the exception of the short haul rule), just need to use a log book for that day.

Look, I know that this may sound confusing to some, but it is not. Once a week us local drivers may drive beyond our 14th hour, by two hours(16 hour day).

And if anyone is wondering, any driver(OTR or local) can be ON-DUTY past 14 hours.

Now, can we put this to rest. How many threads do we need about the same subject?

 

Local drivers are limited to a 100 air mile radius and a 12 hour work day to be exempt from federal HOS. Normally, working more than 12 hours would not make a short haul driver exempt from federal HOS. BUT, if they were to use the 16 hour extension, they are still exempt.

There is no 2 hour extension for a local driver. On any clock. The 14 hour on duty rule only applies to drivers under federal HOS. Local drivers need to stay within the 12 hour work day limit, or use the 16 hour extension once a week.

Local drivers don't have a federal HOS line 3. They can drive 12 hours straight and not violate anything. You can drive 16 hours using the extension and not violate anything.

 

What? I been driving loacl my for over 13 years. We are not limited to 100 air-miles. Running under 100 air-miles and 12 or less only means that we do not have to use a logbook, we use a excempt book. Once over 100 air or 12, that day must be logged, in a logbook and that paged attached to the exempt book! My logbook is the same that OTR drivers use. There is no such thing as local HOS and OTR HOS. Some states DO however have intrastate HOS. If one drives a commercial truck, they fall under DOT HOS, reguarled of they are home nightly or weekly.


This short-haul excemption has been brought under MANY times. Go do some research.

Now let me ask this THBatman8, how many years have been a local driver?

 

I suggest you reread that post as you just reiterated what I stated. When you go over the 12 hour on duty day or the 100 air mile restriction on a regular basis, you're no longer a short haul driver (technically). You can still use the 16 hour extension though, BUT in your case it will NOT give you more drive hours. It will ONLY give you more on duty hours. You can also use the 2 hour 'emergency' extension, since you have a line 3; but as a local driver there aren't many circumstances that'll warrant using it.

I drove for DHL for about 6 years roughly, and I drove a city bus for 2 years roughly. Never had to keep a log for either.

No such thing as interstate HOS? I suggest you read 395 as it explains who needs to log federal HOS and who is exempt. Just because you're driving a truck doesn't conclude you need to log. Your company may require you to log as when you do exceed the boundaries, you will have 8 days of logs and you won't be in violation of federal HOS. (bolded for emphasis)

 

First, there is no exemption that increases on duty hours. on duty hours are unlimited(go look up what I mean). Short haul rule allows a local driver to drive 2 hours past the 14th hour, that is what it extends. Again, nothing limits on-duty hours.(figure that on out)

Second, a short haul driver is any driver that starts and stops at the same place everyday, not one that runs under 100 air-miles. All that means is that just what you said, no log book.

Plain and simple, the short-haul rule was set up for local drivers(short haul). Local is defined as one that goes home every night, not by the hours or miles they run. We have drivers that run 300-400 miles daily and can use the short haul rule.

I have went round and round with safety on the 100 air mile rule, 16 hour rule and on duty hours and won. Our safety director is anal, knows the DOT rules like the back of hand and the company has very low SAFESTAT score(CSA).

 

Show me where I said no such thing as interstate rules. I said local and OTR. I know who needs a log book and who doesn't, I use a log book daily right now because of some of my routes but I am still a local driver and can use the 16 hour rule.

 

On second thought, think I jsut post the answers to all the questions:

From here:http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/hos-faqs.asp#_Toc111021229

 

First, that applies if you're OTR which is a change of subject from what I was discussing. You are limited to 12 on duty hours as a local driver to remain exempt from federal HOS, and/or the 100 air mile radius. This is the third time I stated this. If you clock out within 12 hours of your starting time, there is no need for you to log anything. If you need to go over 12 hours, use the 16 hour extension. You have no line 3 as a local driver. If you work more than 12 hours, the radius doesn't matter. If you go beyond the radius, the 12 hour duty period doesn't matter.

For the rest of your statement, if you exceed the boundaries, you are under federal HOS. Meaning you need to log.

 

Since you wanna go that route:

You can use the extension once a week to remain exempt.

Technically, when you exceed the boundaries, you aren't a short haul driver even if you report back to the place of origination. There are two parts to remain a short haul driver. The first part being the radius. The second part being the 12 hour duty period. As I said "technically".