Shortage of propane, Nation wide, trasport drivers hours of service rules lifted.

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by waveform, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Roadgeek395

    Roadgeek395 Light Load Member

    Jan 24, 2017
    I'm a local propane delivery driver and last week I was informed by my boss that we are in a propane shortage. He didn't give an exact reason but said the refinery slowed down production prematurely thinking winter was over. At least here in California. Now we have been getting our bulk loads from out of state. The price of propane per gallon has gone up at least $0.40 in the past week.
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  3. W900AOwner

    W900AOwner Heavy Load Member

    Jul 2, 2014
    ...and with all of the Marcellus Shale Gas drilling, fracking, fractionation and distribution pipeline networks going on in Western Pa., NE Ohio and W.Va., there shouldn't be a shortage for the next 200 years. Maybe if they stopped exporting so much of the domestic product, we'd have a bit more for ourselves...? Just sayin'.

    "Shortages" are just a cover-up term for "greed".
  4. haz-matguru

    haz-matguru Road Train Member

    Feb 18, 2012
    Most companies require that a driver still conduct themselves on the 11/14/10 manner. But there may still be some outlaw companies that say run till you get tired.

    During on exemption I ran 19 hrs non stop. But it was because the good ppl of TN needed it. This was before eld's. But no safety director at any company would want a driver running over there 14. So during these exemptions it's the 70 that's lifted. Nothing else
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  5. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

    Feb 21, 2014
    Murrieta California
    @ not4hire: Thanks for finding that Waiver,
    @ snowman: I'm in Southern CA San Diego, Inland empire. Thanks for clarifying the circumstances of the waiver going into effect .

    I've moved from Illinois to Southern CA about 4 years ago. The pay sucks here. The problem here is, you have too many people living 3 or 4 family's in one home. Everyone out here is shacking up with a room mate or more. The cost of homes is though the roof out here and the wadges suck because employers know that if you don't like what they pay you, there are 300 other people waiting outside their door. Too many people living here because of the warm weather, but very little manufacturing. Most of the jobs here are service, restaurants, bars, but I don't see many manufacturing - factory's. The local trucking job positions start you out at 12 to 15 an hour. The guard drivers who watch over banks for example, (they carry guns) only get $12 bucks an hour starting. What a joke. I drive explosives and I don't make anymore than I did driving a paper box truck back in Illinois. A one bedroom is about 14 to 15 hundred a month in the more affordable places. It goes up from there. CA is beautiful, but I hate everything else about this place. Moving here was the worse financial mistake of my life. It's so difficult to save here because there are are so many little fees. Registration on your car is based on the price of your car. My sister has a 40K car and pays $500 for the sticker. We have a progressive income tax: If you're really poor it can work out, but if you're someone who's had a good year, the state puts you in a higher tax bracket. So most people here don't want ove-time because you'll get bumped to a higher tax bracket.

    Greed is right - Man has strayed from God - The only answer to our problems.
    The president of Consumer Watch Dog was on the news a few years back and said, the suppliers here in CA are exporting the surplus of fuel, making a killing on exports and keeping the supply low and the cost up.
    CA has more refinery's then most places across the US, we export to Colorado, yet the consumer in CA pays more than them. It's just another CA tax. Our governor is a piece of work. I could write a book about CA. I don't know why anyone would want to move here. Unless you like working and giving your money away.
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2018
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  6. snowman_w900

    snowman_w900 Road Train Member

    Nov 25, 2010
    It's a shame.

    When I say there was a shortage, it may have technically been one, but I always believe it's the refineries inducing the shortage on purpose.

    They will start using tactics like allocation to make it look like supply is extremely low.....that's when the price starts going up and retailers start getting in a panic because they can't get the gas they need and have to resort to going to farther distances to get the supply they need.

    Everytime the refinery companies see an opportunity to do this, they do. They cash in on it every single time.
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  7. REO6205

    REO6205 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    0 might give some though to trying the other end of California. Say from Sacramento north. There are good jobs here if you look for them and they pay a heck of a lot more than 12 to 15 bucks an hour..
    I think Sierra Pacific starts their chip truck drivers at about 18 and that's with full benefits. Sierra Pacific Industries - Jobs Team Member

    You might also check with Bettendorf...Employment Opportunities | Bettendorf Trucking

    There's quite a bit of tanker work around Sacramento, also LTL jobs.

    The north end of the state is like a whole different world from where you are now.
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  8. W900AOwner

    W900AOwner Heavy Load Member

    Jul 2, 2014

    The other side of the coin is the commodities market. Propane is a commodity traded publicly like many other energy products are, and it's all in the hands of the ones pulling the strings who dictates the supply and demand scenarios we are told are "shortages".

    I've hauled it all, from gas and fuel to butane, Y grade, propane and LNG. What a joke that LNG business is. Security up the wazoo...military style security measures just to enter the plant to load, literally with hydraulic baracades, guards with rolling mirrors, etc. The one place in Everett, Mass I used to go to that distributes LNG is just bursting at the seams with this stuff.

    Drivers get scrutinized every single load, whether it was once a day or 3 times a day, you had to go through the same exact protocol each time. One day as I was getting checked like a convict on my second load for that day, a taxi drives in and back out, loaded with what was obvious was a load of middle eastern looking deckhands on the LNG ship that was docked there, unloading gas into the facility from where else other than Yemen. Yemen...

    I had to ask. I said, "why am I being checked out like a foreign spy every time I show up, but you just let that taxi in and out with a load of what looked like terrorists to me?" The guard just shrugged it off and replied, "it's policy, we're not allowed to scrutinize the crew members of the ships, they are exempt from this". Later on as I was still there on site, the taxi returned and all the passengers all unloaded their cargo out of the taxi of big screen TV's from Walmart, various electronic equipment, personal entertainment equipment, etc. Who knows what-all they brought back onto the ship from the city.

    All this activity happening with people from a country that hate our guts and would like to kill us all, yet they supply us with Liquefied Natural Gas from Yemen, because it is CHEAP from them. It's all about the almighty dollar friends.
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  9. Opus

    Opus Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    South GA
    So I guess it's ok to break HOS regs if you really need the stuff.
    So, um look, it's either unsafe or its not. Which is it?
  10. mustang190

    mustang190 Road Train Member

    Jan 18, 2011
    Florida Panhandle
    A man's got's to knows his limitations.
    When there is a emergency you do what you gotta do.
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  11. Opus

    Opus Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    South GA
    Well, it is, or it ain't. Which is it?
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