Should we be able to use cannabis on our time off?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by BillyBobFrank, Apr 6, 2023.

Do you believe we should be able to use cannabis on our time off?

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  2. No

    88 vote(s)
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  1. HiramKingWilliams

    HiramKingWilliams Heavy Load Member

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    Well, sir…..I was hypothesizing it being legal in my question. Your argument stands with most others. I’ve only seen one reasonable and intelligent response yet.
     
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  3. BillyBobFrank

    BillyBobFrank Light Load Member

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    You believe you can get high by going on a diet?
     
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  4. Sandwedge4

    Sandwedge4 Bobtail Member

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    Ignorance and stupidity runs amok with that crowd. They haven’t got a clue. I thought I lived somewhat in a shell ,but after seeing the moronic responses of how cut and dry these outdated beliefs are, I am not near as bad as most of these jack*&$*@@. LOL
     
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  6. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    flashbacks are real because the THC stored in fat can eventually come back to the blood stream. The only thing that makes THC safer than heroin is there are almost zero THC receptors in the part of the brain that is involved with breathing, unlike heroin. If you overdose on H your brain forgets to breathe long enough you discover the afterlife, whether you believe in it or not. That won't happen with THC. But there are some studies now showing some link between prior mental health problems and worsening conditions after use of THC and some studies linking use of THC to worsening psychosis and violent outbursts during psychosis events. The THC crowd has a religious belief in the harmlessness of THC and will not notice the condition of people/society in high THC areas NO. MATTER. WHAT. For them it's always 1972 and the THC is in tiny little doses even after 40 years of genetic and old-fashioned plant breeding, and dispensaries advertising high THC brands.

    It's the perfect weed for making people passive and less productive and unable to organize complex actions well. If you were a runaway govt would you want your potential opponents stoned and listening to music or organizing an effective resistance? Peace, love, understanding and cookies maaaan.
     
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  7. Sandwedge4

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    Everyone is definitely different. Different with beliefs and uses. Unless you have lived on both sides of this argument you have absolutely nothing to add. I have and still do. Been out here over 30 years as a company driver and owner operator. Quit drinking about six years ago because of how unhealthy it truly is. I’m registered with clearinghouse with a big fat O for violations. It’s all about individual needs and responsibility. I don’t give a #### what you are doing. Moderation and individual responsibility is where it truly lies. If you think the law and drug screens are keeping you all cozy at night, you have a rude awakening coming. FMCSA is doing what they can. I’m all for it. I do not condone any drug or alcohol use then immediately get behind the wheel. Grow up people. If there was a reliable way to test for impairment then absolutely marijuana use should be allowed during off hours. Our government is decades behind as usual. Educate yourselves. I honestly believe if you have been on both sides of this discussion then you know it’s blown way out of proportion. I believe the current cutoff or tolerance is like 4 nanograms of thc to pass. This was just recently changed. Basically covers anything that may have been in your diet. LOL Should just keep it at zero tolerance. They have been discussing mouth swab testing. May have some promise. Detects usage from like up to 24 hours maybe longer. Depends on the amount used maybe. Fact is people are going to continue to use no matter what regulations are put in place. Let’s stop with this pointless bickering and come out with a reliable way to test and detect impairment. I AM TOTALLY ALL FOR THAT!!!! Over 45,000 drivers let go for pot just last year. We have a problem in the industry. Most won’t go thru SAP because it is just not worth the hassle. Like it or not this issue has more to be dealt with than some idiot thinking pot is the end all. To many prejudice and stereotyping truckers out there. It’s my way or the Highway thinking that is hilariously barbaric. Glad I’m not you. LMAO
     
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  8. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Drug screenings are a very effective IQ test, maybe the most effective IQ test. THC users know it stays detectable in their body for 30 days, they know they will be screened for THC use pre-hire, post-accident, and randomly. They fail the drug screen because they either have drug problem and won't stop using or they have an IQ problem and can't understand basic job-saving information given to them. Either way, THC users should go work in another industry. We already have enough bad drivers and low IQ drags on society. You aren't going to shame the FMCSA into dropping the drug screenings and the THC users are too busy using THC to invent anything but an appetite and long pointless stories. The rules exist and the consequences happen regardless of anyone's opinion about the rules & consequences.
     
  9. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    I don't think the problem in the industry is not having 45,000 THC users driving commercial vehicles. That's a good outcome.
     
  10. Sandwedge4

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    Totally understand on the choices made. True, most people should know about what they involve themselves in and how long a certain substance stays in your system. Unless you are living under a rock, everyone pretty much understands thc in the system. Just because it’s stored in your fat cells and being expelled thru digestive tract and sweat for up to 30 days(weight and metabolism play a factor individually), doesn’t mean you are under the influence. This is where the main problem lies in detection and level of impairment. They have been able to do this with alcohol up to a point. That is why it is so asinine for you to comment that way. The same thing could be said of drinkers. There are already enough bad drivers and IQ drags on society. The drinkers should stay out of the industry. LMAO WOW!!!
     
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  11. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Drug screens may be the best IQ test in current use. Not once did I ever discuss impairment and THC, except to comment THC users apparently aren't able to remember that they work in an industry with drug screening. They volunteer to enter trucking, they volunteer to use THC, they whine the system isn't fair. Nobody promised anyone life would be fair but every one of the THC users knew before they entered this industry they would be tested. We shouldn't let dangerously ignorant people in the industry or operate heavy machines on the public roads. Maybe if the THC users could do more than use THC and whine about the consequences there would already be a test for THC impairment and the FMCSA would have already adopted that test? THC users are as likely to get their medical advice from some pothead at a glass store as they are from someone with medical training or someone that can read the medical literature. It's almost like using THC causes people to make bad choices. ALMOST.

    We have the test we have. We have the rules we have. No matter how many THC users don't like it, they still will apply to us in this industry. The unmotivated THC users want the motivated and employed responsible people to drop everything and build them a drug testing system that lets them use their mental crutch. I guess they care more about their drug than fixing the system they say is so unjust. Until the FMCSA adopts different rules they apply even if some number of drivers like to fantasize about smoking weed as routinely as some people drink. I have different fantasies, like miniature bears becoming the next trendy pet for yuppies or gangster wannabees, or both. Drug screens may be the best IQ test in current use. I want drinkers punished for failing their test exactly like THC users who fail their test. I'm fair that way.
     
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