Signature 600 ISX Cummins engine brake calamity.

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by W900AOwner, Nov 24, 2016.

  1. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Basics. 90% of the time its the basics. Opens, shorts, grounds.
     
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  3. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    That's why I'd write to the BBB. All the stuff they did, imho, smacks of being incompetent.
    What you experienced is a kin to going to the doctor for a soar back, and winding up at a neurosurgeon saying he needs to carve on your spine, when all you really needed was an aspirin and some rest.

    I'd think the first thing one of them would have checked was grounds, especially when it suddenly just stops working.

    Your a much nicer man than I am.
     
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  4. ShooterK2

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    I have a '99 W900L with a Cummins N14 Celect Plus. I've owned it just over a year now, and the Jake acts up on it as well. It works fine 90% of the time, but sometimes it won't come on at all.

    I've clean grounds several times, but I feel like I may be missing some. And all the switches are on the ground side of the circuit.

    Where was the ground that was causing your problem?
     
  5. W900AOwner

    W900AOwner Heavy Load Member

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    In this W900B (and I'm sure all in a certain model year ) there's just one single common ground wire that catches all the switches and functions such as cruise, etc. Stupid setup, but it's OEM so it is what it is.

    I found my body ground was the culprit, with 5 ground wires on one stud. I shined that all up but in addition I found another OEM ground in the harness that was unused, so I tied the Jake actuator switch to that separate ground and solved the problem.

    On your N-14, it's fairly similar. I'd do the same thing and just open the dash panel and use a jumper wire to the ground post on the on/off switch, and go to a good ground somewhere and see if it solves it.
     
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    Another thing to do is trace and check the harness from the bulkhead connector on the firewall to the ecm, and the ones to each head for damage. It's a matter of process of elimination, no two ways about it. You'll find it eventually.
     
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    I guess I didn't answer your question directly before. ..the body ground stud on these W900B's is on the firewall, just down under the driver's side wiper arm assembly.
     
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  8. Zeviander

    Zeviander Road Train Member

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    That's a REALLY expensive stupid mistake. Props to Cummins for promising to come through though.
     
  9. windsmith

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    But here's the thing. You're paying that $120/hour shop labor cost because you expect knowledgeable and able technicians to be doing the job.

    If you're going to be paying for techs who are still inexperienced and cutting their teeth on your job, then a $40/hour rate would be more appropriate. You shouldn't be expected to pay for the techs' on the job training.

    It seems that you got the $40/hour techs.

    These 'new electronic animals' are not as complicated as you're being led to believe. And as you found out, parts changing is not a valid troubleshooting method.
     
  10. ShooterK2

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    Same place it is on mine, and I've wire-brushed 'em more than once. Thanks though. I'll have to keep digging.
     
  11. W900AOwner

    W900AOwner Heavy Load Member

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    Too bad I flunked mental telepathy in high school, and don't carry a laptop with Cummins software every day, or maybe I could have saw that coming.

    Yes, you'd expect to have professional service and good techs for what you pay nowadays but it's all a crap shoot.

    I gauge it by the past 35 years. Prior to ecm's, you lose your alternator and had a Cummins, you put the pump in manual and got to where you were going. Now if you don't plug into a data port for preliminary diagnosis, tell me then (what is it I'm missing? ) what's your method of troubleshooting?

    Common sense has to come into play somewhere, but you still need that software and the right man to run it. That's the tricky part.

    Yes I could have been beligerent in my request for reimbursement for the damage, but I have to fight for just about anything else on a daily basis, so once in a while I prefer the nice guy approach. They're doing more than I even expected. Answering my email was a big surprise to me.


    Nowadays unless you're lucky enough and educated and wealthy enough to own your own laptop to monitor everything, you're pretty limited to what you can find out. Then beyond that, it may be time to break out the Fluke meter and start looking further. That's the part, unfortunately for me, that Cummins Atlantic failed to do.
     
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