This thread has some great info in it. I just didn't want to see it degenerate into heated personal attacks and wind up getting closed.
Slick roads 101
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by TripleSix, Feb 21, 2015.
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But you gear heads that's enjoying the technical discussion on how the power divider works, here's the challenge. Jack up your drive axles, and produce a video. Show the difference between an open diff and a locker. Show what happens when you engage a power divider (I wouldn't do this with the wheels spinning with the rears in the air though). Then have your banter. I am sure the mods will allow that. They may even crown you King Gearhead. Hail to the King!
Speaking of that, had a driver who went home for a week and left his truck out in the cold for Christmas. He went back to work, had to get help starting the truck, but then realized that the brakes were frozen on the truck. Not wanting to lay in the snow, he engaged his power divider to try to break the wheels free. 550 HP engine. You guessed it...BOOM!
Driver calls me up asking why would one side of one axle spin in the opposite direction of the other when he's trying to drive. "Hmmm, that's a $4000 question." I asked him why didn't he crawl underneath the truck with his hammer and he told me that he had gotten lazy.DoneYourWay, Lepton1 and wsyrob Thank this. -
Well, I think the thing to take from all of this diff talk is that it is OK to engage the power divider(IDL) when moving as long as both axles are turning the same speed, correct? So say you're motoring up an icy hill at 35mph, and the drives start to spin up, simply roll off throttle to get both axles coasting at same speed for a second, put trans in neutral, engage IDL, and put shifter back in hole and gently release clutch. Right?
I would think that if the two drive axles are spinning at very different speeds it would be quite possible to shear off an engagement pin, or whatever the IDL uses to get power. Now, my question is, can the diff lock( if so equipped) be engaged in motion if the left and right side tires are rotating same speed? Or does it depend on what type of diff( lockers, etc) you have?
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The power divider (axle-interlock) can be engaged and left in at all times, it can be engaged when the truck is in motion, never engage when the wheels are spinning on ice, or in mud.
The lockers (locking differentials) can be engaged when the truck is in motion, but will make steering difficult in slippery or muddy conditions, never engage when the wheels are spinning on ice, or mud.Last edited: Feb 24, 2015
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My thought process on the power divider breaking in this scenario. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Driveline is not turning at all, as truck is stationary (brakes frozen/locked).
Driver activates power divider (which is merely a 3rd "lockable/unlockable" differential between the axles).
Tho the switch is activated, complete "locked engagement" is not actually complete, as all moving parts are stationary. (same as where you can't get truck in gear at stoplight, and requires you to let the clutch out just enough to drop the gear into its slot (ie. 100% gear mesh)).
Now you have full torque being applied to driveline BEFORE the power divider had a chance to fully lock/engage.
That's like revving your engine and dumping your clutch before 1st (or whichever) gear is fully meshed. End result: BAM/BROKE. -
Maybe the power-divider was already stressed from misuse in the past.
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I had to explain to my friend that the higher HP the motor, the easier it is to break the drivetrain components. My company had a 745 HP C16 powered tri-drive that they used to pull their 19 axle. 18 speed + 2 speed aux. Powerful truck. The problem that they had with it was that most company drivers that they put behind the wheel would break the drivetrain. You learn as an owner operator really quick to be extremely easy on a truck, because repairs come out of your pocket. I'm not knocking company driver, just stating that you see more company drivers taking off in too high a gear, revving up and dumping the clutch. Cant do that with a big motor. Guaranteed to grenade any drivetrain.
This was my friend's first truck. His first ride ever with over 500 hp. He didn't know. I didn't ask what exactly he did, but I would bet money that he engaged the power divider, revved the motor and dumped the clutch. Once you do it and grenade something that you have to fork money out to repair, it changes you. He had been home a few weeks for the holiday, and his first load for 2015, he gets a $4000 repair bill. That hurts.KW Cajun Thanks this. -
As my "trainer" told me, when I was training for my class A.
The best tool you have in the truck is the one between your ears.
Use it wisely, if that means parking for a few hours do it.
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1" of snow here in Virginia Beach/Norfolk yesterday...... and the area goes stupid......... over 100 accidents yesterday. I live 5-10 minutes from work and it took me a hour and a half to get home.
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