So i had my truck searched on friday

Just wondering since the inception of "The Patriot Act", do we really have any rights in regards to searches of any kind ?

 

I am very bothered by the patriots act
But we are promised if a crime is found that does not deal with terrorism the facts unearthed during search and interrogation wont be used against us
Yea right like I believe that

 

Good question...

Thankfully, higher courts and specifically the Supreme Court have been still vigorously defending our Constitutional freedoms... Probably to the great dismay of the Patriot Act supporters.

Remember when Bush stated that the Constitution was, "just a got d.mn piece of paper."

I personally think Bush(or ANY president Dem/Rep) should have been tried for treason or at minimum perjury for publicly making such a statement. (like Bush did)

Remember they were swore in to uphold and protect the Constitution!

 

Actually both are not healthy for relationships between the regulators and the regulated. Yes, the harm caused by abuse of power by the leos are more personally felt by the individual having to deal with it but Truckers with crappy attitudes when there number comes up for inspection or interaction of any type influence the what happens in that interaction.

So in short it's a downward spiral of negative behavior, no one wins

 

Actually, the potential for abuse IS all on the "regulators". A trucker with a crappy attitude(while likely very unpleasent) still shouldn't be justification for a "regulator" to abuse police powers. (ie influence the what happens in that interaction)

In other words, the people with the power NEED to be responsible/liable for said power(or abuse of said power)... after all, this is where the power abuse comes into play.

 

I've read this thread with a lot of interest, being as how I am both an ex-trucker, and ex-law enforcement. I can also say that there are one heck of a lot of truck drivers that are ex-law enforcement.

So we have been on both sides of the fence. Now I won't attempt to speak for anybody else. But my own opinion is simply that if you go into an inter-action with anyone else, carrying an attitude, then you have a problem.

It really does not matter which side of the DOT counter you are on, it is just not very intelligent to cop an attitude. As the driver, all you are going to do is make it harder on yourself. If you get too out of line, you may escalate the situation to include a trip to the emergency room before going to jail.

OTOH, as the DOT (or any other law enforcement officer) if you go into a contact with an attitude, you risk the very real possibility that you are going to escalate a situation into physical violence. Your fellow officers will not appreciate being put in the position of either having to help you out, or watch you fight, and possible get your butt kicked. You also are likely to bring down an Internal Affairs investigation upon yourself.

In any enforcement contact, both sides need to be tolerant and respectful. After all, both you and the person you are dealing with are human beings. And both of you have a job to do.

There is no point in getting into a roadside pissing contest over a violation. Take it to court, if you think it is wrong. That is what court is for.

I see all the horror stories on here about blatant misconduct by lawmen. I know that it does happen sometimes. I have worked with a few coppers that just should not have been on the job at all. But these type build their own reputation, and sooner or later it catches up with them.

The majority of cops, like the majority of truckers, are just people trying to do a tough job. A job that is really needed, but rarely appreciated.

 

I agree with you Shredfit1, not arguing with you but expounding on it, If that was not clear sorry bout that

If you look through my previous posts in my history you will see that I have been on the same wagon as you in this and in other topics.

Just like my post with NY truck inspector on this post or with dieselbear. both came across with attitude that was unwarranted for the situation or this forum. Both pro port to be active in their fields and yet come across like fingernails on a chalk board at times, and at other times they can be extremely informanitive with the inforamation they have. In both situations they were confronted with attidude and responded with attitude. Is it right, NO. but does it happen, YES. Do we have controll over it, in the most parts, YES.

Not right but the way life is and we can only controll what we do as individuals not what they do.

 

I know we agree... I'm just pointing out(not really for you, but other potential readers...) that it IS more important for authority figures to show restraint with professional use of their authority... simply because of the potential for abuse.

On the other hand, a trucker acting like a jerk, allbeit belligerent and annoying... doesn't carry with it the same potental for power abuse.

I think we both agree that LEO's should/could think of this with the next unsavory encounter...

Example: Instead of a LEO taking the position of... "I'll show this truck stop lawyer who's in command...citations galore" ... To maybe saying... "Hey Mr. Trucker, you sound like your having a really bad day... We are both just trying our best, to do a good job at what we do... Let's help each other make that happen."

In my experience, this works rather well.

 

what in the hell does this conversation have to do with truck searches ? what is a leo ?, am i the only one confused by this chatter.? (WOODSTOCK)

 

don,t forget to go be-hind that horse to creat a facum so that he may drink!! that expermint was done by two J. B. hunt drivers. lol lol