SO riddle me this Mr insurance man.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by cableclown, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Perhaps the OP and others are not aware that the 2yr requirement is not a hard rule. True, when I got my CDL, my insurance company told me they would not insure me until I had 2 years experience. BUT, they said (there is always a "but"), if you complete our $5,000 driver training course (or another course by a provider that we approve of) we will credit you with 2 years experience.
     
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  3. cableclown

    cableclown Light Load Member

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    Well first off i have not drove for 50 years just like your name is not forest gump, I was also trying some humour,I have been in the saddle in the 90's and last spring.(Yes i am now getting grief to get insurance on a truck iam going to get from my friend)
    My point is,why are we,as a country letting the insurance industry dictate what we do and how we do it, WE PAY THEM for there service,We financially support there operations.yes we are there consumer but lighten up and breath a bit
    It seems to me as a country,We continue to lose more rights an freedom and keep getting the belt tightened up on us.(As i say begin herded like cows,and sheep
    This is another one of those things.
    My post was also ment for big corporate insurance to kinda explain to me why with hopes of them reading it....It was addressed Mr Insurance Man.I do have some legitimate,grips about it,and i can see it is going to get worse before better.
    BUT IF YOU ALL THINK ITS ALL RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS THEN KEEP THINKING THAT CUZ YOUR SURELY FOOLED.Unless you were in the industry back in the 60,70,80,90. then i would think you can see where iam coming from.My first taste of trucking was in the 70,s
    Being an American Indian,I Am not very trusting an skeptic for obvious reasons.
    I do not trust the government period,and i certainly do not trust big oil or insurance
    It is a crying shame this country has turned out like this and ran by big corporate and insurance companies.
    It hurts me talking to all the old Vets at the VA hospital and what there feeling are on what they fought for,it was a waste
    Are you letting the broker tell you how to run your company ,your paying him for a service let him tell you how to run your trucks.
    Your buying grocery's from wal-mart how bout letting them tell you what your having for dinner,oh never mind your not at home with your family ,your on the road driving, CUZ YOU CANT GET A DRIVER IN YOUR TRUCK CUZ THE INSURANCE MAN WONT LET YOU.
    Did the insurance man insure little billy and Suzy when they turned 16 and were able to drive ? Yes absolutely,why did they? They do not have 2 years of recent experience,and can kill my kids in the car just as well as someone who just started to drive a truck,they can run the family mini in to a pricey car ,they can run it in to a truck killing the driver and destroying the load just as well as anyone can.so why are they insurable with out 2 years of driving experience,this is why the companies get away with stuff like this, people lack common sense to analyze simple stuff and just say ok and go with the flow.
    I can understand also to a point about risk, BUT if you take a city kid 21 yrs old with no experience around any equipment and has no clue about operating stuff other then trucker school . And a farm kid 21 yrs old and has ran equipment since they were 6-7 years old been around the block a lot who you going to want to run your stuff and insure.
    Not everyone is capable of running a truck safely.Yeah i do not think i would insure a person who just came out of "trucker school" from the office job.it be like me going to be a DR.
    Take it for what you want ,sometime i have a hard time explaining my self but it is what it is.
     
  4. cableclown

    cableclown Light Load Member

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    Very interesting,(not to be rude or mean) Is this how immigrant are getting in the truck right away in this county with out 2 years experience?
    I have been wondering how it is done.
     
  5. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    I believe that is how they are doing it yes...according to what Markell Insurance (now Northbridge) told me in 2006.

    A driver right out of a recognized school will have an easier time getting insurance than a veteran that has been un-insured for 6 months.

    So the lessons are:
    1. stay insured...even if you have to take a part time driving job.
    2. Make sure you are insured. You would be amazed at how many drivers are not listed on the company policy. If you leave a company and they didn`t name you on the policy...guess what. You were un-insured. Your new insurance company *might* accept a letter from your old employer saying that you were driving for them....but do you really think your old boss will do that for youÉ
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    I have been down this road many times trying to get drivers insured to work for us.
     
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    Nobody is holding a gun to anyone`s head. By all means, pony up the 1,000,000 or more and insure yourself. I pay $7,000 per truck and I would WAY WAY rather pay that than pony up to be self insured. $7,000 is NOTHING compared to the potential claim.
     
  7. SilverBullet95

    SilverBullet95 Bobtail Member

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    Paying for insurance is no fun, especially when it is something you are forced to pay and feel like you have little control over. However, we really take it for granted. What if there was no such thing? What if you got into an accident and were responsible for both you and the other parties medical bills and property losses? I couldn't afford to pay them, therefore I probably wouldn't have been able to drive in the first place. Not for personal or for business. I'd have to ride a bike everywhere to avoid the risk and hopefully I wouldn't wreck it because I wouldn't be able to afford medical care either. Insurance is a mechanism that allows our capitalist market to work. The only way to get rid of it would be to completely erase all rules and completely start over society as we know it. Since that is not likely, then I will just be grateful to live in a place where I can own my own business, write off the premiums, and sleep sound at night.
     
  8. cableclown

    cableclown Light Load Member

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    And thats why they do what they do ,people like you are herded an roll over an jump when asked. IMO from ur reply
     
  9. Ridgeline

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    I'm still stuck on this idea that the insurance man is the cause of the alleged driver shortage in the OP. When I was a fleet owner, it wasn't the insurance man who stopped anyone from working for me, it was the driver who I could not trust after they did something.
     
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    Do you really think $7,000 is too high a premium to protect me from million dollar judgements? I think you're crazy. If you want to blame someone, blame the courts for awarding the money.
     
  11. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    I really don't get this thread (or other threads about the poor trucker being taken advantage of). Did I miss something that says when you buy a truck you are the only person allowed to make a profit? And insurance companies profits aren't great when you look at a percent of revenue. New drivers have huge losses compared to an experienced driver with a good driving record. So why is this an issue?

    But hey, this is trucking. I have never found any regulation in the little green book that says you have to have single ounce of business sense to own a truck.

    And I wonder what fool would load a small carrier that is self-insured.
     
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