So why does everyone hate the safety director?

ok yes i am new. but doesn't filling out the logs count as part of your 14hrs on duty?The way I read the rules was after 14hrs onduty, or 11 hrs driveing which ever comes first you need to take the 10 hr break.

so you could be on duty for 7hrs, drive 7hrs, take ten thenstart the clock over. then run 11hrs then you have to take another ten? leaveing you 3 hrs of duty when you wake up? or does the clock restart after the ten?

I don't mind working hard and when the bs is at a minimum I actully enjoy it. HOS is there to keep us rested and safe.

if there is no driver shortage then why is almost every company hireing like madd?

Could it be that there are more teams running? Maybe the companys realise that some are going to lose their CDL soon bassed on past behavior?

or just like the rest of the companys, geting rid of more experienced and costly labor in exchange for cheaper newbies?

I talked to a guy last night he works local. says he does 80 hrs over 6 days but because some of it is yard work he does not have to log it. That sounds wrong to me I thought you had to have a 34 hr reset after 70.

The guy souds happy and loves his job but is that the way it works? to me it seams the company is takeing advantage of him. He has only been there a yr.

I want to doe things right and legall and be rested for the next days adventure.

 

Your 14 hour clock starts the moment you log a on duty status, and it doesn't stop until you either take a 10 hr break or take the first part of a 8-2 split.

A 10 hour break will reset both the 11 and 14 hour clocks (keep an eye on your 70's).

A 8-2 split will reset your 14 hour clock so you can drive whatever hours you had before. Example:

If you drive 7 hours to a shipper, and spend 7 hours at the dock, you aren't going to have any time left. If you log 8 hours in the sleeper or off duty, you will get 4 hours of drive time back.

Here's the catch to a 8-2 split:

Those 4 hours you gain back are borrowed hours from your next 11 hour shift. So when you log sleeper or off duty for 2 more hours, you're going to have 7 hours of drive time.

And yes, the guy you talked to is wrong for not logging yard hours. You can stay on line 4 24/7 365 and not violate anything. You violate your logs when you go to line 3.

 

ok a bit confused: does this work as an example drive 7hrs stuck at shipper for seven hrs. this ends the 14! can I go off duty while at the shipper for 2hrs thus giveing me 2hrs driveing to leave the shipper and find a place to take the 8 and go to sleep?

 

Nope. You need to take the 8 hour break first to stop the 14 hour clock.

 

Let's suppose there's a certain mechanic who has a CDL and is authorized to drive on a part-time basis but whose actual job description is to work on trucks. He works his entire shift in the shop. Then at 5 o'clock the stupid dispatcher sends him out to relay a load to a driver 300 miles away, and bring that guy's load back home for next morning delivery. He starts his log at 5 PM, goes and relays the load, but then on his way back he's less than 100 miles from the yard and falls asleep at the wheel, goes into a ditch and hits a farmer's field entrance thing and rips all 5 axles out from under the truck.
Was he supposed to log working on trucks for 8 hours before leaving in a truck to perform driver duties? There's a catch there. If the guy was a DRIVER, then yes. But this guy was a MECHANIC. I don't really know.
And how about this? Let's say there's a part time driver for a trucking company, but Monday thru Friday he's actually a gym teacher at the local high school. What about him? Can he leave the school at 3 o'clock on a Friday afternoon after teaching kids all day and hop in a truck, start a fresh log and drive all night?
I really have no idea but these types of situations happen all the time.

 

ok so you need to take an 8 before you leave the shipper? then you can drive 9hrs or be on duty for 12 correct?

 

No. I've been told by my company's "safety director" that we can only log either ON DUTY or SLEEPER while at a shipper or receiver. In general, they want us to log 15 minutes on duty, then the rest in the sleeper.

However if you are in the dock counting freight, and you get INJURED by one of those hyped-up maniacs going 20 mph on the forklift, and your log (especially e-log) says you're in the sleeper berth, I've heard that workman's comp won't cover it. (I might be wrong, that's just what I've heard from the rumor mill)

 

I hate minivans: your company expects you to claim sleeper time while you are actully on duty so you miss out on hrs of sleep? is that the norm? or do they do it to allow you the time to get out of the shipper?

 

That's the norm. The main purpose is because that'll fly with the DOT according to the auditors they've spoken to, and by doing that you're saving hours on your 70.

 

so you dont sleep for 2 days? if you are logged as sleeper don't you lose out on detention time?