So you want to hot-shot? (Will be updated/edited frequently)

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by HOTSHOTTER432, Apr 29, 2015.

  1. tom529

    tom529 Bobtail Member

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    Could someone tell me when I get apportioned plates on my f350, is it for the truck and trailer or just for the truck and will I need to get plates for the trailer separate? Also, if I license the truck over 26,000 lbs and it's not hooked to the trailer will you still need a CDL to drive it with the apportioned plates being over 26,000 but the GVWR only 11,500 lbs? My son drives it around town sometimes and he doesn't have a CDL. I'm sure I'll have many more questions. I'm in Missouri by the way.
     
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  3. GAT123

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    Tom529, the apportioned plates are for the power unit only. You'll need regular plates for the trailer. At least that's how it is in AZ.
     
  4. flatbedcarrier

    flatbedcarrier Medium Load Member

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    Tom, as long as your son is on the truck insurance, he can drive it localling as personal conveyance. You my run into a problem with this though because most, of not all commercial insurance companies say who ever is going to drive the truck has to be an employee. That can throw a wrench in the works because having him as a employee changes your status from a Independent Owner Operator to a Carrier. As a Carrier you have a few more things to comply that you wouldn't as a Independent. This is going to sound rediculous, As a Carrier the Feds say to have someone in your company trained by your drug testing company to spot signs of drug use.

    Under your apportioned plate you register for the combined weight, your truck weight, trailer weight, and load weight. However, you will need what's called a token, or permanent trailer license plate.
     
  5. garkeller

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    My wife & I have a loan ready...been looking at used late 90's Ford 7.3L duallys (No 6.0's) and will be getting our feet wet with staying under the golden 26K GCWR for truck and trailer. Likely will be buying a 32-34' dual-axle. Ideally, trailer should be 14k-ish and truck around 11k. I see that FBC & HOTSHOTTER run CDL-A setups...my wife and I are staying under the 26k limit. We only have our B's and really don't want to go with more until our feet are really wet and we get our name in the file cabinets of some good brokers in FL. I did see one hotshotter reply that due to staying under 26k, there are considerable agencies that we don't need to register with yet. Anything you good people want to throw in the info-kettle on this newbie would be tremendously helpful. We're not out to become millionaires with this by no means, it's just that my wife and I love working together (30 years now) and really enjoy this type of environment! Call me nuts, call me crazy, just don't call me late for dinner! ;-) Thanks in advance! :)
     
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  6. tom529

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    If your trailer GVWR is 10,001 LBS you will need a class A CDL. It doesn't matter if the actual weight is less than that if the trailer is rated for 10,001 LBS. You'll have to abide by DOT regulations.
     
  7. garkeller

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    Thanks for your input tom, but DOT guidelines state that as long as the GCWR of a combination vehicle is below 26k, you do not need an A. This makes sense as that would mean that anyone trying to buy a dually pickup at a dealership to pull a two-axle horse trailer would be told that they have to go to CDL-A training. If that were the case, dealerships would have their dually truck sales drop by about 80%. The weight restrictions regarding the trailer weight above or below 10K is so that you don't have a CDL-B operator (like myself) trying to get a job driving a tractor-trailer for Swift as I do not have the additional van training. I can still drive a core vehicle above 26k GVWR/GCWR and pull a small trailer below 10k GVWR with my "B" though. My wife said that she feels that RV owners running 40'+ length vehicles along with a car trailer SHOULD have additional training to run that, but regulations let those untrained drivers hit the interstates all day long. IMHO, the DOT does not make policy and regulations very easy to understand and many policeman out there are equally confused with the same things...Here is a cut & paste from another source:

    We have talked about this before but it always seems to raise its ugly head every now and then by people giving out the wrong information.

    I in no way want to single anyone out for giving bad info; heck I have done so myself in the past; but rather give the correct info.

    In a post below two people stated that if the trailer is over 10,000 lbs GVWR you need a class A CDL. This is not true.
    The combination of the truck and trailer GCWR must be over 26,001 lbs AND the trailer GVWR must be over 10,000 lbs to require a class A CDL.

    So what this means is if I have a truck that has a GCWR less than 26,001 lbs I can pull a trailer with a GVWR of over 10,000 all day and not need a CDL.
    One example of this would be a 1/2 pickup pulling a 16 ft trailer with duel 7000 lb axles under it. Even though the trailer has a GVWR of 14,000 lbs there is no way a 1/2 ton pickup is legal weighing over 26,001 lbs so no CDL is required.

    So lets look up the rule to back up what I just said.
    Federal law.... §383.91(a)(1)
    Combination vehicle (Group A)—Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

    Interpretation for 383.91
    Question 2: Is a driver of a combination vehicle with a Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) of less than 26,001 pounds required to obtain a CDL even if the trailer Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is more than 10,000 pounds?

    Guidance: No, because the Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) is less than 26,001 pounds. The driver would need a CDL if the vehicle is transporting HM requiring the vehicle to be placarded or if it is designed to transport 16 or more persons.
     
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  8. boredsocial

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    What load board takes 20%? Get off of it ASAP and onto ITS. Also you pay taxes on what's left at the end.
     
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  9. garkeller

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    Love the advice, but please let us newbs know the difference of the load board that is charging 20% vs ITS (and what this stands for)...don't want to sound ignorant, just extremely newbie!
    “The only stupid question is the question that is never asked.”
     
  10. boredsocial

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    Internet Truckstop. It charges a flat monthly fee. This is only for people with their own authority. If it's 20% because you've leased on with someone and it includes your insurance and tags that's different.
     
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  11. Lite bug

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    As you can see by Tom529 imput somestimes advice given here is entirely off base. ITS is a load board ( Internet Truckstop ) Based in Florida has some unique challenges. Try to base your business without load boards A load board is a place where carriers and brokers get together to move freight. Locate businesses close to your area needing dependable, trustworthy
     
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