Solid State hard drives

Discussion in 'Trucking Electronics, Gadgets and Software Forum' started by rookietrucker, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. verahsa

    verahsa Bobtail Member

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    Regarding SSD drives, their performance, and their cost effectiveness:

    I just finished testing about 8 different varieties of drives across a multitude of controllers to see if it was worth upgrading for my desktop performance and laptop battery life.

    The "intel" SSD drives are NOT high performance drives, first off. They're effective, and dependable, but not the high end of things.

    If you're looking for pure speed, look at OCZ or Mushkin SSD drives, make sure the read/write ratings are 285/275 MB/s respectively. There are two varieties out currently, the ones at that kind of speed and the slower models (115/75 r/w MB/s). The "slower" models read faster than 10k drives (if only by a minimal margin) on average, but write significantly slower.

    The real test, though, was testing the OCZ Vertex II 90 GB drive I picked up against a SCSI U320 15k drive. The SSD consistently outperformed the 15k drive in load speeds, and installation speeds.

    The biggest gain for me, though, was actually in my laptop. I went from ~4-7 hours depending on usage to ~6-10 hours battery life. That's ridiculously huge. Admittedly the drive that was in there originally was a 7200 rpm chump-drive, nothing fancy, but mechanical drives consume lots more power during read, write, spin up and spin down, and even a touch more when completely idle.

    The 90 GB drive I bought was $129.99 on sale. Newegg lists it currently at $184.99 for the 3.5" (desktop) and $189.99 for the 2.5" (laptop). Yes, that's not cheap. It's not ridiculous either. The three 500GB mechanical drives I have in my desktop are used for storage, while my operating system & games are loaded on the SSD. My laptop has a 320 GB external drive now for if/when I need stored materials, and I keep a standard dual-boot installation on the 60GB that's in the laptop and I have approximately 20GB to "spare" at any given time. That's not a boatload of empty space, but is fully enough for what I do with it, and the 320 allows me to do more extensive programming work.

    For the record: most of my 'testing' was done on my current system.

    Core i7 950
    EVGA X58 SLIFTW3 mobo
    6GB Corsair 1600 7-7-7 RAM
    EVGA nVidia GeForce 470

    The "standard" 7200 RPM drives that I had (originally in a 3 drive stripeset) took ~35 seconds to boot from afterPOST until desktop.

    The 10k drive took ~27 seconds to boot from afterPOST until desktop.
    The 15k scsi u320 (provided by an adaptec controller) drive took ~17 seconds to boot from afterPOST until desktop.


    The SSD takes ~8 seconds to boot from afterPOST until desktop.

    Interestingly, I run games both from the regular drives I have for storage, and when running the ones I run all the time from the SSD.

    Load times for WoW, EQ2, CoD:MW2 are hugely different between drive load time and SSD load time. All of them are cut in half from starting the game to being IN the game, with consistently higher framerates while running the game (roughly 2-8 fps faster once IN game, depending on the game).

    It is NOT some "minor" upgrade that'll save "one second" or "1/16th load times." It's not a cure-all either.

    TL;DR version:

    SSD is ridiculously fast in comparison to 10k or 15k mechanical drives, and not horribly expensive while offering other benefits in usage.
     
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  3. rookietrucker

    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Thank you, this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I use to work with test engineers on collecting data like this when I worked for a computer company. It has been about six years now and I lost contact with the whole crew. :biggrin_25514:
     
  4. verahsa

    verahsa Bobtail Member

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    I actually came on here looking for a method for boosting wifi from inside a cab of a friend of mine who's a trucker but is technologically "average" in knowledge. Having been a Failure Analysis tester for a couple years as well as helping to develop upcoming technologies (back then), I'm rather meticulous about testing "hyped" hardware.

    About 13-14 years ago, I got to test what I believe is the precursor to SSD drives, RAM drives. The server we were testing it in had no 'hard drive,' per se. Instead, it had a chassis that was roughly 3 5.25" drives tall internally and had 64 SDRAM slots, a battery, and a couple of control chips. We populated it with ECC 32 MB. The thing was light speed fast in comparison to the drives. We ran tests for days. I still go by the same methodology. Test, retest, verify results for both, and then judge. *grin*

    I got to browsing a bit after that, and could not leave the post denigrating SSD drives alone. I can honestly say it was the absolute best money I spent on my newest system & my laptop, but I'm happy to share what knowledge I have.

    As I see other things that peak my interest, I'll post. In the meantime, hope things go well.
     
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  5. Kansas

    Kansas Road Train Member

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    Hey Rookie, ya purchased an SSD yet? Kinda curious as to how the install/swap goes if you end up doing this.
     
  6. gone fishing

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    kinda like a raptor tooooo unstable for a bouncy truck id go ssd or 5400 rpm max.i use an ipad for nav its not bad at all
     
  7. rookietrucker

    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The customer I did the build for,could not afford the cost of the SSD. I installed a cheap western digital drive in their build. If they only knew what their missing...........

    Now I did purchase one for myself on my system build. I caught this drive on sale from Newegg during the xmas holiday sales >>
    OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD3-2VTX120G 3.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) It came with a $35 rebate during the sale, which made it more enticing to buy.:biggrin_255:
    I can only say, it's lightning fast. They come unformatted, so I first connected it to my older workstation and formatted the drive. Which took about a whole 20-30 seconds for 120g drive :biggrin_2551: That was not the quick format either. I installed the drive in the chassis, popped in XP 64bit disk and loaded the OS. From start to finish, it took about 20 minutes to completely load the OS. About another 75 minutes with loading the drivers, software and OS updates. My network here at the house is fast, which makes it possible to get downloads quickly. I tested the system out with BurnIn v6.0 Professional Edition. Here is the website for anyone that wants to put their system to it's limit. Free trial edition, if you don't purchase the one time licenses. >>
    http://www.passmark.com/

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    My build is with the following parts:

    LIAN LI PC-P80 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

    GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD9 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 XL ATX Intel Motherboard


    Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7980X


    COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler


    SAMSUNG 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model MV-3V4G4


    Kingston HyperX KHX-FAN Fans

    SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Active PFC Power Supply


    PNY VCQFX1800-PCIE-PB Quadro FX 1800 768MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card

    OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD3-2VTX120G 3.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

    ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM


    IOGEAR GKM551R Black 2.4GHz Wireless Slim Media Center Desktop

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    My two workstations (Pentium4) are 6yrs old, so I'm over due for a new computer. I didn't want a system from a major computer manufacture. Too many headaches in the past and why should I fatten their wallet. When I already have puter skills to do it myself. I got twice the amount of a system, for half the cost.

    I sold a trailer that I had no room to park it, which made it possible for me to buy all the parts. If you add up the price, you will see this was not a cheap build. I waited til xmas on purpose for the sales. The processor and motherboard were on sale as a package deal. I only wish now, I could afford four video cards to try out the four way SLI and push this power supply.

     
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  8. Kansas

    Kansas Road Train Member

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    How about system boot up time, pretty quick comparatively?

    Plenty of room to upgrade ram on the motherboard. Says up to 24 GB supported Good Lord LOL.
     
  9. rookietrucker

    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I have 24gb of RAM installed on my build. The boot up time for the hardware is not what I desired but I'm still trying to tweak that out. Having 24gb of memory is probably part of my problem. The bios has dual capability, so this is new to me. You can fine tune thru the bios and have two different settings. Also comes with software to use thru the OS to bump up the processor and memory speeds. Once it boots to the OS, it's lightning fast. When it says Windows is loading, you about miss that screen, going straight to your desktop. Accessing files on the C:\ drive itself, is extremely fast. If XP had the snipping tool, like vista or win7 does. I would post some of the test results of my build.
     
  10. Pinoy51563

    Pinoy51563 Light Load Member

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    also if you upgrade to SSD before you spend the money on the drive make sure you get the right one that will fit your laptop. I had a Gateway and purchased a SSD for it to find it wouldnt fit so I put it in my Toshiba. The hard drive plugs in the older machines are diffrent from the newer ones.
     
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    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Unless they changed the standards, notebooks are 2.5". The interface connections maybe different. Most if not all now are SATA. I'm guessing your older notebook was IDE.
     
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