State Vehicles Subjected To CARB Requirements

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  1. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    i was actually looking for something else and stumbled across this article and had a little chuckle thought you guys might enjoy it as well

    Katy Grimes: In an interesting twist of irony, the state is now subjected to California Air Resources Board (CARB) rules for retrofitting its diesel vehicles, but at a cost of $57 million for 400 state vehicles.
    The $57 million would go to buying some new, compliant vehicles as well doing the retrofits according to the Department of Finance.
    The math is astounding at $142,000 per car.
    The Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO) explained that a retrofit can cost $20,000 to $40,000. If each of the 400 cars was only retrofitted at the higher cost, the total outlay would be $16 million. Needless to say, the math is not clear on this budget item.
    Senator Denise Moreno Ducheny, D-San Diego (Committee Chair), asked several times during the hearing if there is a more cost effective way to accomplish the retrofits, and had some snarky words for the way the Department of General Services (DGS) spends money. “This is a DGS problem,” said Ducheny, and added, “DGS is not my favorite agency for doing something cost effectively.”
    The LAO said that Cal Trans has actually bought vehicles in the past, and then had to immediately do a retrofit to comply with state regulations and emissions requirements, proving that there is precedence in reckless state spending.
    Senator Bob Dutton, R-Rancho Cucamonga, spoke against the vehicle retrofit spending and pointed out the ridiculousness. Senator Bob Huff, R-Diamond Bar, argued against the cost and said that diesel retrofit requirements can cost nearly two-times the cost of the vehicle. Huff added, “We created the regulations and now have to follow through ourselves.”
    Both Dutton and Huff expressed concern that the legislature might approve the spending and then CARB could change the regulations once the retrofits were completed.
    Dutton was critical of the state always taking a “gold standard” approach, instead of using reasonable, affordable methods.
    Huff suggested that Legislators “overthrow all of CARB,” otherwise the state too is “stuck” with the fiscal impacts of decisions made by the legislature, as is the case with the impositions of California’s global warming legislation (AB 32).
    Ducheny agreed that the subject needs more research but warned that “not everything can stay open,” and urged the Department of Finance and LAO to provide additional information quickly.
    Cal Watchdog will be following up on this as well, hopefully before this spending is squeezed into another bill…


    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2010/06/07/state-vehicles-subjected-to-carb-requirements/
     
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  3. 58Skylane

    58Skylane Medium Load Member

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    For the obvious reason, I'm not surprised. :biggrin_25513:
     
  4. Quickfarms

    Quickfarms Heavy Load Member

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    I thought the carb regulations would have a negligible cost according to how Sacramento does there cost analysis.
     
  5. NavigatorWife

    NavigatorWife Road Train Member

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    Sounds like it would be better to sell the cars at auction or whatever and start over. With retrofitting who knows if the vehicles will realistically run the way they should or if they end up costing more money in the long run.

    They got themselves in their own hole with all the EPA and stuff, they should have to bear the cost just like they are making the regular person who has to comply.
     
  6. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    I'm sure they'll find a way to exempt the state - you know they make up all these rules for the rest of us but they don't actually have to live under the rules themselves!!.... That's how the Soviet, Beijing, Pyongyang, Washington DC "beltway" politburo's operate - why should Sacramento be any different?
     
  7. NYROADIE

    NYROADIE Heavy Load Member

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    Huff suggested that Legislators "overthrow all of CARB,"

    Now thats an interesting statment!
     
  8. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i didn't think diesel cars existed anymore. not since the 80's.
     
  9. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    Actually they are making a comeback. Newer diesel technology is more sound than gasoline hybrid, and widely available everywhere except North America. My wife has been in a diesel powered car since 2006. We just traded her VW Beetle TDI (46+ mpg) for a new Passat TDI. The new car has the automated manual and gets 43 mpg. Why squeeze into a shoebox size ugly Prius when you can get the same economy and way more room in a large sedan?

    In the context of CA state owned vehicles, I'd suspect that "cars" includes light duty diesel powered 3/4 and 1-ton trucks.
     
  10. Tonythetruckerdude

    Tonythetruckerdude Crusty Deer Slayer

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    Why not purchase them with the correct plumbing already installed......
     
  11. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    In fairness to the people at Cal-Trans, they are told from the day they buy a vehicle that it has a shelf life. If they have a 2006 5 ton dump truck with 80K miles then it cant be replaced for another two years. How would you feel if they got new trucks every few years? In this case it would make sense but that would require legislative action to amend the agreement Cal-Trans has with the OMB. They are victims of the same legislative stupidity that we all are. Unfortunately for the taxpayers of California, the wisest choice is not always in the rules. People tend to believe that just because they are state employees they can just make a call on the secret red phone that direct dials the governor...
     
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