Steer/Axle Weight Question

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by Locke, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    it is possible that he rolled to far forward on the scale and had his steer and just a little of his forward drive axle on the front scale.

    I would reweigh it and be sure I had the axles on the right scales- especially if he has a short wheelbase truck
     
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  3. Locke

    Locke Light Load Member

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    I set my breaks, because I had to open the door of my cab and get on my step to lean out and push the button to talk to the person in side.



    I know I didn't go too far forward, is it possible I didn't go far enough forward?
    Before I pulled off the scale, I noticed my steers weren't all the way up on the last bit of the scale.
    There is a last bit of a rectangle, and my steers weren't on it. I was still close though.

    I'll reweigh again the next time I go up.

    It's a day cab-with 48ft aluminum conostoga.
    8 Single Rolls--4 in the front, 4 in the back
    This is what the rollers look like
    https://www.heicocompanies.com/wp-c...o_Web_Portfolio_AncraGroup_Neo-Industries.jpg

    And this is the truck
    https://3.imimg.com/data3/GP/NW/TDW-5592705/images-service-logistics-250x250.png

    The GVWR - 52,350

    GVWR Front 12,350

    Fr Rear RR 20,000

    Tires
    Max Load Single 6175
    Max Load Dual 5840


    Unless I goofed something on the scale, the weights aren't legal.
    I'm going to reweigh and let you know.

    Hoping it's not too difficult to get the load legal.

    Is it unsafe at those weights?

    And yeah, it rides a bit jumpy in the steers.
    On roads that aren't very smooth or if I hit a bump in the road, it seems a bit like I have to counter steer, steer straight,
    It's sort of like how it would feel if you went into a pothole on a lot. The wheel would turn right and when you are coming out of the pot hole, you steer back to the left. Did that make any sense?

    Alright guys, thanks for the help.
    I'll be back.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2020
  4. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    The scale is level, you won’t roll. Setting truck and trailer brakes will put everything in a bind, especially if your trailer dumps the air suspension when you set your brakes. Let us know how the reweigh goes. Good luck!
     
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  5. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Must be, I don’t see how that’s possible unless he has a knuckle boom on that that tractor and somebody loaded him way tail heavy to compensate.

    I scale one axle at a time so I’ve never seen that before myself.
     
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  6. jamespmack

    jamespmack Road Train Member

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    That trailer looks shorter than 48' but could be the picture.
     
  7. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I have handled mack superliner 500 boom tractors with like a 24 foot boom from back of cab extended over the "Travel cradle" above the front end. They are always front end heavy but not really here or there to this subject.

    The feeling of the steering wheel going loose or your tractor not "Minding" to use a old Baltimore term meaning to respond to your input, command or whatever it is you want truck to do. Is sometimes a sign of excessive weight on the front end. (Never mind the rest of the rig, story of my life...)

    When I get onto a scale, I have to trust that it's level. With that in mind I crawl the rig onto it (Usually a big CAT scale) and as soon as the trailer tandems reach the rear plate and the forward steer is on it's plate alone I pull a few pounds on the trolley only that usually stops her.

    SHE WILL SETTLE. Use that time to get the rod out of the cab and pass through window to push the button. But wait for the scale to settle. it only takes a moment. I usually feel the thing jiggle like jello. When jello goes away then it's time to get a nice weight via button.

    IF you are confronted with a BIG old scale that is ALL one platform. Get up there.

    Thats your total gross weight.

    Pull forward until steer is off it.

    write down that weight

    Pull forward again until your entire tractor is off it.

    Write down that weight and you are finished.

    Your trailer weight should be 34000 or less on standard trailer tandems.

    Your total tractor and trailer sets you subtract trailer tandem from that number. Thats your drive weight. It also needs to be 34000 or less. IF your total drives and tandem comes up to around 68000 or less you can generally make the assumption that both sets are legal but don't bet the farm on it, check on it.

    The remaining 12000 should be what your steers were. Give or take a little bit.
     
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  8. FoolsErrand

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    Yeah something isnt right. Youre way heavy at the front AND the back. Reweigh and take some real pics of your truck with your load visible.

    If its still a funky weight make sure we can see where your trailer axles and hitch are in the pics. You, the driver, need to know where to put the hitch, any sliding axles, and to make the loaders put the load where it needs to go for legal weight on every axle. 12/34/34 or 12/34/40 for most of us.
     
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  9. Locke

    Locke Light Load Member

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    @FoolsErrand I agree, it's my responsibility. My company does the same local/semi local runs weekly.
    They have done most of the runs for years. But this happens to be a newer run where we don't go over scales. We don't slide axles and I am new to flatbed.That's why I checked it.

    Mystery Solved
    I went back to the Cat Scale Last week

    Steer 25020
    Drive 14640
    Trailer 39020
    Gross 78680

    Something still isn't right.
    Got set on the scale right and got real weight.

    Steer 11080
    Drive 28600
    Trailer 39000
     
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  10. x1Heavy

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    If you have a ten foot spread axle under the flatbed the 39000 is perfect. Otherwise you will need to put 5000 onto the drives. Im not sure you have enough holes for that.
     
  11. Locke

    Locke Light Load Member

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    Maybe a dumb question...but the only time I've slid axles has been on a Dry Van.

    Can't I get weight off the trailer and onto the drives?
     
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