Straight Truck Axle Placement?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by JDep88, May 25, 2024.

  1. SmallPackage

    SmallPackage Road Train Member

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    I don’t think its against reg. It is no different then the guys who put a dump body on a second hand sleeper cab fleet truck and go to work. The dump bucket overhanging the rear by 6 ft looks stupid but isn’t illegal. Lol
     
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  3. JDep88

    JDep88 Bobtail Member

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    Cool. That's kind of the impression I'm getting from these responses. I figured someone would have quoted a hard number for distance by now. We just want to have the axles moved further back and like everyone is saying, beef up the front. But we need to file a safety grievance and I'm just fishing for as much info as possible to include.
     
  4. AModelCat

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    Found in the BC regs that maximum effective overhang on a straight truck is 4.0m. Effective overhang looks to be measured from center of the drive axles to the rear of the vehicle.

    OP will have to lookup the effective rear overhang for their jurisdiction as the regs in BC are probably not the same.
     
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  5. JDep88

    JDep88 Bobtail Member

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    Thank you. When I did look up overhang in my state, it was specifically referring to a load extending past the back of the truck and not necessarily from the axles to the end of the truck.
     

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  6. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    This is what I pulled up. Like I said its for a completely different jurisdiction so it means nothing but it might help you in knowing what terms to search for.
     

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  7. Ex-Trucker Alex

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    From what I see, they spec'd a box that was too long for what they are hauling. I'm assuming that it's full-sized pallets of Tequila. I guess they can't ship shorter pallets, so this was the solution? Seems rather expensive, and requiring a lot of welding. What I'd think would make more sense would be to upgrade the front axle, and run super-singles, then get it rated for 10T on the front axle. I believe this would be legal just about anywhere, plus it would leave the wheelbase as it should be. And, I'd think it would cost a lot less, and even allow them to carry just a bit more freight (27T vs. 23T).

    I've seen a lot of stupidity with box trucks. I spent a summer driving full TT loads of ice from the main ice plant to distribution centers in nearby cities. I was at our Buffalo center, and there they had rented a bunch of class 5 6-wheel reefer boxes, each rated for 17T. The boxes could hold 8 pallets, at 2T each pallet. You should've seen those little 16.5" dual tires screaming for mercy each time they left the lot. DOT finally caught up with them one day, just at the intersection by Transit Rd., and weighed 4 of them. Turns out, we could only legally carry 5 pallets at a time. We had to send in 3 more trucks, making 7 trucks to carry out what 4 carried in.... I'll leave to your imagination how much the fines were for 4 trucks each being over 10,000lbs overweight.....

    BTW, after that fiasco, the DOT sat right outside the property at least once a week. I always made sure my log book was up-to-date every time I delivered a trailer load there....
     
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  8. JDep88

    JDep88 Bobtail Member

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    On our Class B trucks it's not even pallets. It's loose loaded liquor, wine, beer and kegs. The more cases they can put on us the more money they'll make in a day.
     
  9. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    The expense of moving an entire fleet of tandems is a lot more than upgrading the steering axle and having their vehicle supplier help spec the next units to meet payload demands.

    The LTL that I retired from had their Penske supplied tandem box trucks built with 102" wide bodies to allow pinwheeling pallets to get more in the box.

    There are ways to fix this but no legal foul to greive.

    The manufacturer will supply any chassis length you desire and wheelbase to match though such a dense product may affect the structure in the overhung area so the box mounting fasteners, etc could become problematic

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    I don't understand why any one, including deskbound bean counters, would risk an potential under-ride accident striking such a dense load; looks like one could fit almost an entire surburban underneath that floor before it would strike the suspension.

    What a headline "Soccor Mom and 5 kids killed underneath loaded Tequilla truck; pictures at eleven".
     
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  10. JDep88

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    See and that's why I thought there might be some regulation like 40% of the box length must be behind center of rear axle. Because of the handling issues and structural integrity issues. We are still going to grieve as a safety concern, just without an official rule to pair with it.
     
  11. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    That is definitely something I wouldn’t do.

    I’ve heard many horror stories about frame rails breaking from tractors being converted to dump trucks.
     
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