swift and the lease purchase

This is a Swift thread... but here's a good example. Its not Prime. A lot of us do just fine over here. It's a different problem that got you to where you are - look in the mirror, and you'll see the cause.

 

no is was my crappy dm i switched companies and did just fine afterward thank you very much but this isnt thread jacking so i do apologize if it seems that way to you mr. prime driver my advvice to the op still stands tho

 

I agree. One more question. Lets say I get the hang of it and feel comfortable enough after 6 months to where I lease a pre-owned truck from a lot here in Houston, would Swift still let me work for them as a O/O?

 

its like 3 or 6 months. just barely enough time to put some water in the pool. cant even get your feet wet with that little time. But shows how desperate they are to get drivers in those trucks. They want to push that overhead off their books and onto yours as fast as they can. And if the new driver wrecks the truck, they get a nice big fat check from the insurance company to cover the "loss"

 

truck has to be a 2005 or newer with a wheelbase no longer than 269 inches or something. can't be some gaudy lookin' truck with a sleeper the size of a single-wide.

6 mo is barely enough time to 'feel comfortable'.

 

@dick i thought it was 2002 or newer?

 

that is a big negitive. How do i know? because i asked about it when i was trying to lease on an outside, 3rd party truck. 2005 or newer is accurate.

Now, dont ask me how, i've seen older trucks, but i think those drivers own outright those rigs, and/or they have like 100 yrs experience driving.

 

If you call having time to pre-read the contract while it is put on the desk in front of you to sign so you can get your truck...then in that light yes i did read the contract before signing it...both times....the second time I could simply skim over it and make sure that it was the same as the first one 3 years before.

What you said...or inferred ...was that you were sent a copy of the contract, and had the time to have an attorney and/or accountant read it through and offer their opinions/advice. This was not and is not an option the way Swift plays the "get the driver to sign" game....they will not send a copy of the contract to the prospective lessee to have an attorney or accountant peruse it. They don't let the contract unsigned out of their control.

Secondly, you said it was 95% the same as what you were given to read....why the difference? and how much difference? Any difference in one paragraph, or one sentence means the contract you read and the contract you signed were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! If they changed one line or one word on Page 2...how do you know for certain they didn't change one line or one paragraph on page 14? The reason why(?)...they want complete autonomy and power over their L/O's and keep the L/O's in the "gray area"....funny thing about a "gray area", some call it a "shady spot"...but we aren't talking about protection from the sun...just cover for the light (insert truth) to shine!

I'll tell you what Dick...why don't you stop PM'ing me about your contract and dealings with Swift...since the way you and Injun are "tired of the innuendo and no straight talk" about our dealing with Swift and OSHA...neither of you are ready to admit that there are problems with the Contract that grossly benefit Swift not the L/O! Both of you are in the position I was...perfectly happy with what we have...at the time...but wait until they get the chance to throw you under the bus to benefit them, the Company...it is coming and they are setting the table with their ammunition from the first day you took one load with your contract in place. And don't expect your DM's to go to bat for you, or your Terminal Managers...what you will hear is simply this....

"It is out of our hands, corporate is calling the shots!"

Best of luck to both of you!

BTW...a word of advice...my wife has far better knowledge of contract law, the Swift contract, and the tactics Swift and their legal counsel will offer. She learned the hard way...2 years of study and research of 100's of cases presented to OSHA and not just from Swift. The England case that just went against England....very little difference in the contracts....pretty much just the Company name.

And to the question of Lessee = driver, and Lessor = Swift/IEL....wrong, IEL is the Lessor, Swift only holds the Line Haul Contract/Agreement....even though in the corporate umbrella IEL is technically a part of Saint Corporation...now Swift LLC....(I wonder why the sudden need for name and corporate change?)....LLC's offer stronger protection for the OWNER...is Jerry covering some legal bases? YOU #### STRAIGHT HE IS!

 

dude...i'm not busting your b-lls, and yeah, i was given the contract weeks/months ahead of time......or atleast the lease contract they had on the books at the time. But come on...did they give you a time limit in which to sign the contract in front of you? Now you may not have had the ability to take it to a lawyer (actually, i would have picked up the contract, tuck it under my arm, and tell whoever in the office you were dealing with, you were taking it to your lawyer to paruse over, and that you'd be back in a few hours with it signed or not) but we're both adults. Had they refused to let you out of the terminal with it, that would be a good indication something wasnt right.

am i saying the contract dont heavily favor, if not totally favor IEL/Swift? Sure it does....but that is the contract we signed. All i know is that the contract will probably change again in the near future once this class action suit goes thru.

 

Holy cow! OHTW: I was trying to steer away from your situation because I know it's a very raw topic for both you and Mrs. right now.

I know there are flaws with the contract and the scale is not in my favor. For now, though, it's paying my bills.

I want to know the details. However, sideways words can't paint the picture. All I've asked is to tell the story...when it can be told completely and plainly. Obviously now is not that time. It's my way of trying to preserve what I'd hope would be a decent friendship.

I am asking to not be placed in the very uncomfortable position of not only having to constantly defend the company I do business with but also having to defend a decision I made as an adult woman, knowing the risks associated with it.

I was stepping away from this discussion in order to avoid hurt feelings: yours, Mrs. and mine.

Please don't make me defend myself from you and Mrs. Y'all seem like such nice people.