Tandem axle with rear tag axle controlled from cab

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  1. inthewind379

    inthewind379 Bobtail Member

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    Is anyone familiar with the tag axle system used by USF Holland ? They used them on all the tandem axle tractors until 2005 when they switched from Sterling to International, any Sterling Holland tractor you see on the road has a tag axle.
    The interesting part is the driver has control of the air to the tag axle bags from a lever in the cab , the fuel mileage increase and cost saving was the reason behind the tag , but the drivers soon learned that when running on ice or slick roads at highway speeds you could put just enough air in the tag axle to start breaking traction then back off air slightly, then when the drives broke traction the rear axle acts as a rudder keeping the tractor running straight and eliminating any fish tailing. Is anyone else using this system ? I know tags are making a come back but it sounds like the air between axles is out of the drivers control, if this is the case I can see why drivers don't care for them.
    I am a company driver but am thinking about jumping to truck ownership and am intrigued about all the ways people are increasing mpg ! I see a dealer selling used Conway Truckload Kenworth T660's with tag axle's and claiming 7.5 to 8.5 mpg with duals not SS tires , how hard would it be to set tag axle up like the Holland set up ? I know some may say in cab air control lever is illegal but these trucks are still on the road.
     
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  3. Superhauler

    Superhauler TEACHER OF MEN

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    the big reason they did that was mpg, one less rear gears to turn robbing hp. bleeding air off for better traction not so much. the problem is the drive breaks traction and it's to late to dump the air.
     
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  4. Scania man

    Scania man Road Train Member

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    We use them in Europe all the time, average fuel savings over a 6x4 is 1mpg sometimes even more, depending on fifth wheel position they are actually better on snow and ice especially when empty, the thing I see with American trucks is that they are short behind the cab, on a rear lift ideally you need the fifth wheel forward , almost directly over the drive axle, this gives superior traction but also prevents you taking too much weight off the steers so you don't under steer , another thing euro trucks have is weight transfer, you can transfer some weight off the tag onto the drive without lifting, I had a rear steering tag before which was excellent especially the handling in slippery conditions
    if you are buying new I'd spec a long enough wheelbase that you can have the fifth wheel pretty far forward
     
  5. kat man

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    Cab air control is legal on axles with legal weight.
     
  6. WitchingHour

    WitchingHour Road Train Member

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    Schneider Nationals used to run from Freightliner Argosys with the same setup. Another added benefit is that raising the tag axle can give you a shorter turn radius for getting into tight spots. With a setup like that, you have to ensure that you have the right amount of air pressure going into it - too much places additional weight on your steer axle, as the single drive axle begins to act as a fulcrum, and the air pressure from the tag pushes upwards on the rear of the frame, which translates to more force put on the steer axle.
    You see tags used quite a bit on vocational truck applications.. in addition to the allowed weight increase from having additional axles on the ground, you also gain an increase in permitted weight with the extended wheelbase when the tag is lowered. Which is also why you have dump trucks with the strong arm, and mixers with the Bridgemaster.
     
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