Tandem Setting Formula

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by X-Country, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    no. my numbers were right. it wasn't 3,200 lbs. it was 3,300 lbs. that's why it was 13 holes. reading fails you.
     
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  3. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    I should also say, anytime you move tandems, go scale your load. Many shippers will have scales, but dont always trust they are accurate. After you get done, get to the nearest CAT Scale and scale your load.

    this formula, for a standard 53' trailer, with 250 lb holes, will work for you just fine.

    can't speak for other trailers with 500 lb holes, but if that's the case, just make a minor change to the forumla when dividing by 250, and instead divide by 500.

    I use this every day on my Budweiser account that I recently started and I've never once had to rescale a load.
     
  4. Knucklehead619

    Knucklehead619 Medium Load Member

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    You should probably re-read my post. Or don't, it's your ticket not mine. I just want to make sure others who read your original post don't take it for gospel because your formula doesn't always work. Your second example, as I said earlier has the right numbers but for the WRONG reason while your first would result in you still being overweight. But don't worry about it, OP. I'm sure DOT will laugh just as hard as I am currently. I guess explaining it to you again is pointless. Good luck to you sir.
     
  5. 8thnote

    8thnote Road Train Member

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    Your method is correct. My first trainer taught me the same thing when I first started driving. The only problem with your formula is assuming 250 lbs per hole. That is not correct. It is, in my experience, more like 400 lbs per hole. And remember that this only works with the trailers that have the standard ~1 ft between holes. Some of the newer trailers have holes closer together (Hyundai trailers in particular have the closer holes). If this is the case, then the 250 lbs per hole is more accurate.

    ive been using this formula since I've been driving (difference between drives and tandems divided by 2 divided by 400. Slide towards the problem). I weigh my load, use the formula, and never re weigh. I've yet to get an overweight ticket. But as others have said, it is possible to get in trouble this way if the trailer is loaded crazy. I'd recommend re weighing until you get a little more experience with different types of loads.
     
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  6. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    im not a Sir, I'm a lady. reading fails you again.

    considering Budweiser has a scale there on site, and it's been right on the money every time...I'll trust the formula given to me, because it's been proven continually to work on a 53' trailer, with 250# holes.

    moving the 7 holes is enough, because I equally proportioned the weight between the 2 axles, still keeping the load legal. And after scaling at Budweiser, I've hit the weigh station and been legal every single time.
     
  7. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    really depends on the trailers and how far apart the holes are. On the trailers we use at Budweiser, it's 250-300 per hole, and to err on the side of caution we figure 250 and it never fails. I was a little broad in my initial post though.

    Wabash, Great Danes, and Hyundais would differ, because most of them are 500# I believe.
     
  8. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Ok, but the last sentence kind of proves our points, loads are different and your building your formula on a consistent load/product. virtually all beer loads are loaded with the same density product, the same way, front to back, time after time, so yes you can formulate a per-hole rate that works ... but come tell us about how this system for some strange reason did not work when you pick up some other heavy product at another shipper that is mixed and/or has multiple stops, and can't figure out why you can't get it right. We've only been doing this a combined 30+ years and don't know what we're talking about.

    Any number you can come up with as a per-hole average weight shift is a "rule of thumb" at best and assumes product is singled the same way, and the same number of pallets, and all pallets weighing more or less the same ... hardly a real-world reality particularly when you dealing with preloaded/sealed trailers at unfamiliar shippers, with unfamiliar and/or mixed product.

    Many shippers today will load a 53 footer with 43k+ lbs of mixed density product and pinwheel the pallets all the way nearly to the rear door ... and you will haul it.
     
  9. X-Country

    X-Country Medium Load Member

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    if it doesn't scale after moving tandems and fifth wheel, IT'S NOT GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY period. I will refuse the load and that's all there is to it.
     
  10. ‘Olhand

    ‘Olhand Cantankerous Crusty

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    Sorry kids--unless you are pulling the SAME trailer all the TIME--the whole premise is FATALLY FLAWED--trailers holes go as low as 150 a hole and as high as 550 a hole--and it is rarely trailer specific--it is suspension bogey specific--so yes you CAN have the same brand trailer that varies as much as 300+lbs a hole depending on set up....
    So unless you are POSITIVE--the only thing you can do--is weigh--slide reweigh--and then compare...
    Course direction to move weight DOES NOT change...tandems up--more on trl--tandems back--more on truck....
    Be Careful
     
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  11. snowlauncher

    snowlauncher Road Train Member

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    I probably will sound like a big ####### by saying this, but this is taking it WAY too far. It's not rocket science to figure this stuff out. Simple mental math and estimation. You dont have to spend time and a lot of effort on a sliding tandem. Although the OP is interesting I think it hugely complicates it. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid and when in doubt always scale as many times as you need to get legal. No app, no calculator, no pencil and paper, no straining your brain. Slide. Scale out. Roll out.
     
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