Tankers, flatbeds and doubles. Should new drivers get experience with vans first?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by JustSonny, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

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    Besides which, who wants to be the trainer on a load of Hydrochloric acid when you're supposed to turn over the wheel to someone whose sole experience is a CDL mill?

    Some folks just don't seem to get it. Tanker usually means stuff that is Hazmat and has the potential to hurt alot of people.
     
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  3. wsyrob

    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I would venture to say your company is doing a poor job training them if that's the case. I could see a few leaving the first few months because they discover trucking isn't a "paid vacation seeing the country". Running down a pedestrian isn't tanker specific. That guy probably shouldn't be driving anything.
     
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    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Not all companies run nothing but hazmat. A comprehensive training program would include dispatching a new driver differently that first year. They would pull the less dangerous freight and be dispatched away from the most dangerous places for a period of time until they are up to speed. No you shouldn't turn a new guy loose with Hydrochloric or Caustic right away. He should also be with a trainer for 2-3 months minimum.
     
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  5. Kittyfoot

    Kittyfoot Crusty Ancient

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    wsyrob, seriously guy, what world do you live in? I'm not trying to be insulting but "pull the less dangerous freight and dispatched away from the dangerous places"???? Good Lord!!!:biggrin_25512:

    Reality check guy, this ain't kindergarten. Nobody in today's economy has either the time or money to baby someone along. That's why we suggest "getting your chops" on dry van. It's a whole lot easier to "get up to speed" on the more specialized stuff if you already have the basic stuff down.
     
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  6. jakebrake12

    jakebrake12 Road Train Member

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    We have multiple million milers here (a million miler at Con-way means you've never farted in a truck) that have never pulled anything but a set.

    Probably should not share this but I will..

    After 8 years behind the wheel and 6 1/2 with a set which definitely counts for something - my first major oh poop with a set just happened the other morning - something that never would have happened when I was new to driving or pulling a set. I was heading home in the morning tired as hell which was my own fault on a stretch of narrow 4 lane road that I know like the back of my hand - got complacent while passing and dropped off the road onto a dirt shoulder about 4" below the road and about a foot wide till the median.. As soon as I dropped off I let off but still thought in that spit second thought I was going over all the way when my kite went.. When the truck caught the road again I caught a glimpse of my kite kicking hard and literally thought that was it - dirt, grass, and dust but it stayed up and I was still on the road..

    That would have never happened during my first few years of driving since common sense (which eludes every experienced driver for a spit second here and there) would have never had my tired butt passing there in the first place.. Lesson learned 8 years later..

    If all you know is a tanker or a set you'll be fine so long as you have a little common sense when you start out.. I lost mine for a split second and it almost cost me big as an experienced driver - run thousands of miles with a set in snow and ice and never had one like that on a clear warm dry morning..

    Keep your head newbies - you'll be fine..
     
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    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I live in NC and that's pretty much how I was trained. I started with Superior Carriers right out of school. It makes more sense than taking some guy with 10 years experience on dry box and putting him under a Sulfuric Acid load with only 1 week of smooth bore tanker experience. Sounds like your company is doing a worse job training drivers than mine. Any company worth its salt only gives the worse chemicals to the best drivers usually dedicated.
     
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    wsyrob Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I have a friend who is a VP with South Eastern Freight lines and hes been in the trucking industry for 35+years. He told me right after I started driving that the most dangerous time in my career would be at around the 2-3 year mark after the fear of the equipment wears off. That's when most of the fatal accidents happen. Rookies tend to hit things at slower speeds usually going backwards or turning corners. Those accidents don't usually kill people.Complacency is your enemy.
     
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    jakebrake12 Road Train Member

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    Took me 8 to have a massive "oh no" so lets just hope I can make it at least 8 more before another. I can see that though - it's the nature of the beast.

    Don't be afraid to pull a set though rookies - if it's what you learn on you'll be fine despite what many of these dudes will tell you.. Smooth and steady and don't get complacent like I did..
     
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    Way to go man, what'd ya go and do that for? Now I gotta find a new hero!:biggrin_25525:
     
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  11. jakebrake12

    jakebrake12 Road Train Member

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    Nothing good about it man.. Picture pulling a set and your back box kicking so hard you think you're going over in the middle of morning traffic on a busy road.. A lot of things pass in your head real quick..

    The good news.. I put my back back box against the dock for the first time about three weeks ago - legendary since that's hard to do..

    Perhaps I got a little full of myself?? No way - not me..lol..
     
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