Terminated from Schneider - unemployable?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by LadyNytmre, Apr 26, 2024.

  1. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    Your son needs to grow up and be a big boy and do this himself. By the time I was 23 I was a college grad with a bachelors degree and a pilots license managing an airport by myself as the night operations manager. I was towing and fueling 50 million dollar airliners and corporate jets alone on a dark airport ramp, sometimes in the pouring down rain. This new generation has too much "mommy doing it for me" going on. It took me a year and a half to go from greenhorn knowing nothing about the airport to night operations manager. (what's really funny is I didn't get along with the airport director, the only one above me as far as airport ops at night was concerned. But he knew if I walked away, the airport would close as nobody could get any services after 10pm. So he would ##### and complain but I would remind him who was out there taking care of his customers. He learned to just leave me alone. LOL)

    If I would have begged my mommy for help at that age to find a job, she'd have laughed in my face.
     
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    I dont fault her for trying to help her son.btw. here's your medal for all your accomplishments. We all got em.
     
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    I don't fault her either.
     
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    He probably asked her for assistance. Nice to have someone to help at times. Not everyone has that luxury.
     
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    Sometimes, especially in this case, it is more detrimental than helpful. I taught my kids to be self-sufficient by the time they are 16, because as I told them many times we are not going to be around forever and you need to learn life skills now, not when you are 25 or 45. My oldest can drive a truck, can wrench but she runs a few small businesses and has goals established, nothing will stop her like losing work or a job and she stopped asking my advice a long time ago - my job is done with her.
     
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    Is this because she actually has the answers, or simply doesn’t want to be a bother?
     
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    In canada that’s a ticket every time for failure to stop for school bus in Both directions on a undivided road … imo he was getting fired for first company policy he broke if they put him on ignore before this incident… Maybe it’s really the truck’s fault or a bit of his as well. Either way he was put on ignore and likely won’t get a good review if companies call .
     
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    It is because we taught her how to ask the right questions, to listen to others on what advice they have, and most of all seek out people who are doing the same thing or like the same thing to learn a process or a skill.
     
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    Thought It was common sense not to use cruise control in a residential area? I never heard of this 25mph and I doubt that is true. I always thought cameras were only activated by a critical event? Maybe video gets overwritten every 24 hours.
     
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    [QUOTE="LadyNytmre, post: 12885981, member: 172957" Totally agree on the cruise control, too. Again, this is something his trainer did and trained him to do. He didn't know any better but now he does. .[/QUOTE]

    I'm going to be a little mean.

    6 months ago I wrote "It takes time to begin to understand how things work and how a driver's actions are impacting the situation, or are actually at the root of the problem". From what you've said, your son has not learned this at all and is constantly tripping over his own feet and blaming others when he falls down.

    Let's start with the appointment and late delivery issue. As soon as the first customer says "it's going to be 5 hours", the driver should be updating the etas and nat in workflow and sending a freeform message in. This automatically updates EVERYBODY who needs to be updated and covers the driver for any subsequent delays. No need to call. If his DTL was really avoiding his phone calls it's a sign your son was making the Himalayas out of an ant hill. Even at only 1,000 miles a week he should have been able to gross at least $800. Even with freight the way it is, hitting $1,200 shouldn't be hard to do. Whenever a driver says "I can't make any money here", and I dig into his trip planning and communication - it turns out the driver is why the driver isn't making any money. The fact that he's stuggling is a sign he does not know how to productively ask for help and guidance, nor has he learned from experience.

    Now let's move on to the school bus. If he was traveling alongside the school bus, he should have been able to stop in the same amount of time as the school bus. I'll grant him the judgement call, but with ill grace. The bigger problem is that he was on the cruise control, in the rain, when he considered it necessary to be driving 20 mph below the posted speed limit. You can say "his trainer taught him to use the cruise control at all times", and I have no way to definitively disprove that. Heck, for the sake of this discussion I'll even stipulate that as being true (it's not). The November, December, January, February, and March sustainment trainings all had segments of "get off the cruise when the road is wet". December and February both had dash cam videos of cruise control loss of control wrecks. I have 15 different messages saying "don't use the cruise in bad weather or heavy traffic" from the last 3 months. I'm in a different division, so I have a different Safety Critter, but they all send the same basic stuff. He wasn't fired for using the cruise control in a residential area, he was fired for using it IN THE RAIN WHEN HE THOUGHT HIS TOP SAFE SPEED WAS 20 MPH BELOW THE POSTED MAXIMUM. That is a sign he does not apply criticial thinking skills to his life, and as such is a bad risk to keep around. If he were a top producer, it might be different, but as a 'problem child' his DTL didn't go to bat for him.

    My final problem is that he thinks he got fired for using the cruise in a residential area. He didn't. When he and the Safety Critter were talking, it was one of the points brought up. "Driver, you were using the cruise control, in the rain, when you were driving 20 mph below the posted maximum, next to a school bus, in a residential area! How dumb can you be?!?!" His main take away was 'residential area', not 'cruise control bad in rain'. The Safety Critter brought up the residential nature because of the school bus - if I see a school bus traveling on a road with houses, I'm going to assume it's going to be coming to a stop to pick up/drop off some Sentient Germ Factories and will drive accordingly.

    Wherever he ends up next, he needs to step up and understand how his choices and actions are impacting his life. He may not like forums/social media - neither do I, but I spend time on here because I can learn (and relearn) vicariously. There are guys that whenever I seem them I stop to chat, because I've identified them as good resources. I've learned to ask questions not just about HOW to do something, but WHY. I don't like asking either type, but asking is better than learning the hard way. I wish him the best, but his situation is of his own making.