the attitude of the "new breed of driver"

Agreed 100% - if your shower is free, and your clothes aren't trashed with holes in them and stains on them.. money really doesn't come into play.

I mean, heck, if a homeless dude can be fairly clean by showering/eating in a mission...

I just don't buy that victim mentality horse hockey.

 

I agree with what your saying with parental control, but, i believe you and every poster on here is also leaving out another part of the equation, and thats the laws that feel good politicians have put on the books to protect the kids with domestic abuse. Now i realize that protects the kid as far as when a parent slaps the kid and causes a nose bleed. But the bottom line is, these kids are smart and will call the cops on there parents or go to the teacher claiming abuse, and yes that includes yelling in excess. And now the parents are looking at getting arrested on domestic abuse charges, even if you spank a kid, that kid could call the cops or tell the teacher about that and yes, depending on how agressive the cops are, you will have a visit from them and possibly get arrested on a domestic. Does this happen in all the school districts? It depends on how aggressive the districs are and how the police handle it. In the Milwaukee school district you bet the police will be at your front door, in a small village maybe not, it all depends. You just don't know how many times that i've heard that the parents in Milwaukee say that they cannot do anything against there kids without fear of the police showing up at there front door, as yes, you will be guilty until proven innocent. All i say is welcome to the real world of the big city. my.02 worth..............

 

You don't have to beat your kids to discipline them, and not to attack you, rocknroll, but it's this making of excuses that keeps people from being good parents.

If you teach your kids the right way of doing things, and PARENT them... you're a coach, a trainer, etc... not just someone acting as a babysitter - it's the babysitter mentality that kills me.

When mom and dad go to the movies and leave junior at home with the 16 yr old next door, you don't expect her to train and coach your child, just to make sure they're fed, bathed, and put to bed. If you act like a babysitter, and then one day wonder what the heck happened when your little hellion is boosting cars... you'll realize that he wasn't taught right from wrong, manners, courtesy, and all of those other things that parents are supposed to teach.

I'm shocked that parents think kids will pick up that stuff on their own? How??? From pre-school, or the kid next door?

Another thing - you don't have to pull out the belt to discipline your kid - I spanked my boys MAYBE twice - ever - the rest of the time, I punished them with grounding, taking toys away, their bike, the TV, etc.

Now, if some mamby-pamby liberal initiates legislation to make grounding a kid illegal... we're REALLY in trouble.

 

You do have some points rocknroll, but I raised my kids without physical discipline. The few swats they all got combined were when they were very young and doing something that could have resulted in serious injury. It was more to get their attention than discipline them.

They know right from wrong because that is the way they were raised. They actually have dropped friends that had questionable 'ethics' rather than risk getting themselves into trouble.

What's really funny, is that I let my boys play video games, eat fast food, eat junk food, etc, while still expecting them to do their homework, chores, eat healthy, and get outside and burn off some energy. They all have fairly balanced habits now that two are adults and one is only a couple years from that status. They know how to cook, do laundry, change the oil on a car, and even clean. All of that without spankings or being soft either. I have rarely had to take privileges away either.

The biggest key I think is to not treat them like 'children'. I never talked to my kids or treated them any other way than that they are people. It really wasn't that difficult.

 

Right on - you did a good job. I'm still in shock over parents who think kids are going to raise themselves and not turn out like hoodlums.

I mean, if you were 6-8, and you had the authority to raise yourself however you wanted.. all that freedom... what choices would you make? I'm thinking candy, staying up late, and no discipline.

 

No kidding ronin! I know at that age, those would have been close to my choices! Except it would have been grandma's chocolate chip cookies instead! Nothing beat grandma's chocolate chip cookies.

 

Kids NEED discipline--and it can be argued all day what that entails--but it IMHO it has to be done in such a way that the kid understands you care about them--I know I'm sounding all touchy feely--but IMHO it makes all the difference in the world--I never got physical with mine and things worked out fine--and I really shouldn't take any credit--cause I wasn't home all week and Mama did a great job--and people tell me all the time--I didn't get physical because of the way I was raised---very very old school--anyway--if you follow current psycho babble I should have been a very abusive father--because that how mine was--so I do not buy in to all the psychology crap--IMHO--you need to establish very early on--who is in charge--what the rules are and WHY--and love em to death even when they mess up--of course some time things still do not work out--I know a couple of wonderful families who IMHO--did everything right raising kids and still ended up heartbroken--so i still have to say there but for the grace of God go I--
Now raising Grandkids---whole different story!!!LMAO

 

Country Boy was raised very strict, I had NO rules....it was very hard to find a balance raising our kids...lol.. my mom let me get away with FAR TOO much...when I was grown, not too long before my grandmother passed away, I went to her and told her how sorry I was that I had been so disrespectful and just downright rude to her. My mother let me get away with it, but I still shouldnt have done it. My grandmother told me it was ok, and it wasnt my fault because I had been allowed to act that way, I told her yes ,I had been allowed to act that way, but I still knew better ,and therefore shouldnt have....we both had tears in our eyes...I am so glad that I had told her that, because just a few years later, she passed and I would have had to live with that. She wasnt always nice when I was growing up, but that is besides the point, she was still my elder!!!

 

I think i am miss reading your post, don't you think that i know that to beat a kid is wrong? even animals don't desirve that. I have two girls and a boy, ages are 33,30,29 and a 8yr.old grand daughter. I know that you are not attacking me, i know that you misread my post. All i am trying to say is, that with all the liberal laws on the books, that this has given parents that do not have the skills to raise there children an excuse. With all the social programs that cities have, you would think that a parent that has these problems would seek help, guess again. Go Google Bradley Tech. and read all the fights that where in that school, i do not have the time right now to find the one artricle that i am looking for, it has to do with a major fight that took place,the school kids were beating up the cops and i believe that it was about 15-30 cops and it got out of control, why because the kids called there parents and the parents came over and started beating up the cops and who ever else they could get there hands on, those are the parents that my post is directed to.

 

i just dont think this thread is fair...i dont think i fall under the "new breed of driver" stereotype even though ive only been at it about 2 years (22 years old)

i always flash people over, and give the thanks flash when somebody flashes me over

when i go to truck stops the jake brake is off, i dont even touch the horn and i park in an actual parking space

i ALWAYS move over for disabled vehicles on the shoulder

i ALWAYS get over a lane to let trucks merge onto the interstate

i shower every night, brush my teeth twice a day, tuck my shirt in and keep my uniforms clean

when passing i dont cut in front of the truck i passed until i leave as much room as i would want when im being passed

am i perfect? hell no, but to classify all newer drivers as lazy, dirty and ignorant just isnt right