The ELD Mandate Fight Continues

Are you an ###### everyday or just today?
No whining, just pointing out what elog changes have meant to me. I will adjust and move on. Been an o/o a long time. Will be until I retire. No driver can say they have never drawn a line a little early or late as they needed to make it work. If they do they are full of fertilizer.
Have a great day...sir.

 

When’s the McRib coming back?

 

Look guys, this has been rehashed so many times that it is getting to be a joke.

The HOS regs are flawed, it needs to be changed back to the 1962 version with no exemptions or exceptions.

It was the best and safest system out there, with the flexibility we need to operate.

However, A BIG HOWEVER!

MANY OF YOU GUYS SCREAMING ABOUT GETTING RID HOS ARE IGNORANT ON WHY IT IS THERE.

IT was created to remove the power from those companies who abused the drivers who killed themselves driving to make a buck. It was the time when we were in a depression, when there was a need to make money to eat and stay alive, not like today but it prevented the companies from telling the driver "hey you want to keep your job and be paid that 25 cents an hour, you will drive this load, I don't care if you just drove 15 hours, get your **** going or get the **** out!"

We need to keep it, and it isn't about those who think that this is a restriction and can drive 26 hours out of the 24 to get the job done, it is all about those people who are so desperate that they will do anything to make a buck, like drive until they are exhausted.

You want to accelerate the revolving door system that operates in this industry, let's stand with the companies who want to rid the HOS in the industry, they will love the truckers to get involved and push for the elimination of ELD and HOS. We will see more greed and selfish drivers out there, rates will go down and we will end up with another time when it isn't worth getting up in the morning in the industry.

Reality is that ELDs are the next phase in technology, if you want to return to the way things were back in 1979, then build that time machine and go back but ELD is here to stay. It isn't about safety, it isn't about the ATA or the insurance companies, it is all about the need to move forward.

 

What system you using Elroy?
I use keep truckin. If necessary I can unplug the box from the ecm and it runs as an app on my phone, essentially a paper log. All lines editable. In Canada it's legal still (for now).

@Ridgeline
If we hire a lot of millennials do you really think they will voluntarily overwork themselves? Hard enough to get them out of mama's basement and working at anything. Hos does need revisited. What were the rules of 1962? That was 25 years before I was born.

 

I NEVER said ride along for 30 minutes. Most companies have a "training" program where the student rides with an experienced driver until that driver thinks the student will be safe. So, why do we need school? Because of the insurance companies. They will not insure drivers without that 120 to 160 hours of "training" before they get into a truck for 2 to 8 weeks of "training". So you go to school, and learn it their way, just to get in a truck and learn it all over again the way the company wants you to do it. Seems like a duplication of efforts.

 

Well people seem to think that this generation don't want to work but hell I seen my son working on air craft in the heat in Texas and his crew were all his age. I know a foundry that has been hiring kids out of high school, they have applicants now working at other places learning a skill, some of those places are on a 14 hour six day schedule and those kids are working. My oldest puts in 16 hour days and she is also trying to find time to run a business on top of working, her freinds are the same as she is.

See I don't buy into that, I look around when I reentered this business and saw things that were discouraging, people acted like steering wheel holders and not even know how to check the oil, most of them are now in their mid-40's, not early 30's.

the 1962 rules were used up to the bush administration in 2003. It was 10 drive time, 15 on duty, 8 in the sleeper and 21 for a full reset. They worked, they worked for 41 years and didn't need to be changed. It would be a good fit for the ELD if the flexibility was included that we had to stop the clock (split sleeper on 4 hours segments).

 

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Have Qualcomm. I'm not interested in defeating it. I'll change up my run if possible. After my second leg if I don't have enough with a cushion to do Toronto to Hfx I'll bounce to a shallow Midwest and back to TO, then turn east on recap. It sucks a little but life's like that. I'm looking for a Canada only dedicated lane if I can find one. When this truck is done I'm done so I have 4 or so years left. I have a line in a Monday-Friday lane to Montreal I may take. Solve the problem.

 

I've only had to 'defeat' mine once. And it was in Canada. Technically I didn't have to, it was a matter of taking reset while under load and spending exactly 36 hours then drive final 8 to destination and deliver, or, drive the 8 on reset day and wake up and deliver next morning. So yeah, I cheated a bit. Legally I wasn't over my 70. But I did shift the work around a bit. To me....no harm no foul.

 

I don't know what companies you're referring to, but the ones I've worked for have either tossed me the keys and told me to go get loaded, or at most had me drive around while someone rode in the passenger seat and checked boxes on a piece of paper.