The New CSA 2010 rules can end your carer !

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by larry016, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. Rerun8963

    Rerun8963 Road Train Member

    3,917
    2,012
    Mar 30, 2006
    ova-hereee
    0
    you may be able to get those tickets reduced, that is NOT the problem....the problem that comes is the PSP points will NOT go away, as you will not be able to reduce those, unless you go up to file a complaint with the DOT on this...you will need a whole lot of stuff at your readiness to fight that. i suggest you go to the CSA website and read all that you need to do...otherwise, sadly for you, those 63 points stay with you..

    i even forgot the speeding warning when i added up your points, but you violate 2 different CSA Basics, so for the log book, you violated 2, and for the speeding, you violated another, but yes, the total against you, and you alone is 63 points.

    you later went on to say that maybe someday if this happed to any of us, we would change our opinions....maybe so....but let's go back to what we are SUPPOSED to be, and that is, PROFESSIONAL drivers, where we ARE HELD to a higher standard, and if anyone of us get's nailed like you did, then it was deserved....

    i mean, one cannot disobey the laws, rules, regulations and cry foul when caught....you signed up for this job, you knew the consequences of your actions.

    on the one hand you said your company was good, the employees were good, but here you are complaining that they suspend you two..

    you can't have it both ways...if they are as good as you say, then you would not have said, "they didn't give a rat's *** that you did what you did, but got caught"...when all you should have said was, "well they had to do what they had to do".....this makes you sound bitter you got what you deserved.....and washes away anything you claim was "good about them".....

    i wish you (and your wife) well, but you are screwed for a while, or maybe some mom & pop place will hire you, but frankly, YOU DID THIS, and thankfully you admitted it, but you're still crying about it, thinking that it was too harsh.....(at least i DO agree on the long suspension) but you did what you did, now you must suffer your transgression's after you broke the rules, laws, regulations...
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

    17,502
    12,015
    Sep 23, 2007
    Ask my GPS...
    0
    The point totals are for the company's safety record. As I understand it, the PSP will only show the infractions - a minor distinction. If you pull your PSP say at the end of April, the FMCSA should have updated it by then, so you can see what's there. At least they claim they're that efficient.

    Even if you prevail in court and get the charges dismissed, the FMCSA may not agree to take this off of your record. You can use the DATA-Q process, but it will go back to the FMCSA and the state cop. They don't have to agree. I see constituational issues here, but that's me.

    I agree, in the short-term, there are going to be companies that will overreact. That will cost some people their jobs. Until the whole system sorts itself out, there will be this overreaction until the carriers see how the enforcement regieme works out. I believe my carrier would send you to log class for this, and warn you not to do it again.

    Good luck...
     
  4. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

    3,757
    1,643
    Jul 22, 2010
    Houston,Texas
    0
    The company never cared Larry ! Where have you been ? Somebody tell you they did? No sir, you are a tool to be used, if you fail then I know where I can get 10,000 more just like you. Just about any carrier will put you out with the trash in a heart beat bud.

    This has to be all about you from now on....no company man, no suck arse. The attitude has to be stone cold. There's only one CDL and there's 10,000 carriers, just like them. That load hot is it? Dispatch should have planned better. The load gets there when I can get it there legally or they can "call in so and so" "he can do it"

    63 points is not the end.....my guy will hire up to 85. Problem is you have no room for any other stops. One stop and your margin is wiped out but....you will look much better ( score ) in 6 mos. if the lawyer can't fix it.

    What I don't get is why did you roll past the nearest safe haven? I get the sick, tired wife thing. I probably would have done the same but going past? that is on you.
     
    Rerun8963 Thanks this.
  5. rambler

    rambler Road Train Member

    1,358
    582
    Nov 5, 2007
    0
    All good points Chalupa. Also there are proper channels of action to take for any and all scenarios one may encounter on the road..the number one rule in any situation is CYA..period. I know this is a little late and may be redundant but the only way to have handled that run would have been to call dispatch and tell 'em whats going on with her sick and sitting on the shoulder and all. This is something thats going to bite more h/w teams in the butt.. if they're not more careful :biggrin_25525:.
     
  6. ChromeDome

    ChromeDome Road Train Member

    3,706
    2,086
    Jun 10, 2007
    Lakeland, FL
    0
    People and uneducated company's look at the points incorrectly most of the time.
    The points do not cross basics. So this is not worse than a failed drug test. No matter how they want to pretend that the points are all the same.

    Your company over reacted. And I am guessing they were already up the creek under CSA for pushing drivers to cheat on logs.
     
    Sacred Feline, trucker_101 and rambler Thank this.
  7. Sacred Feline

    Sacred Feline Light Load Member

    154
    36
    Oct 17, 2007
    Anywhere but FL
    0
    I totally agree with you, the company did over react. If we could find out who the company was we could look up their safety rating, probably find that it is pretty bad....hence their reaction to the O/P.
     
  8. larry016

    larry016 Bobtail Member

    25
    15
    Mar 4, 2011
    Williston, Fl
    0
    To Rerun8963
    You seem to be a intelligent person but you are not getting what I'm saying. Now pay close attention. The point I'm trying to make is the CSA rules are causing trucking companies to over react and good drivers are going to loose their job. I did break a law. That's on me and I am paying the price for it. I never blamed my company for suspending me. Am I happy about it? Of course not. Do I think they over reacted? Yes but I understand why. This company has a very poor safety rating. They were forced to go to electronic logs by DOT and were once heavily fined by DOT mainly for log book violations. At this time they fired the head of the compliance department and installed electronic logs.

    I did like the company and they liked us. But like Chalupa said. A driver to a company is no more to that company than just part of the equipment. When it comes to their butt or yours guess who they are going to cover? I know for a fact if this would have happened last year before CSA we would not have been suspended. We would have gotten a written compliance, at worst maybe six months probation. But!!! Because of the CSA it is forcing companies to take actions against a driver that they may not have before. In effect the CSA is putting drivers out of a job.

    If you or anyone wants to say I am crying because I lost my job, you're welcome to your opinion. I am certainly not happy about it but my question is what I did so wrong that I had to loose my job for it after six years of dedicated service to the company with no violations of any kind and no accidents? I don't think I did! If you want to call that crying I don't care call it what you will. I call it voicing my opinion on a new law that was made to make the highways safer but in the long run put drivers out of a job. Case in point! The last ticket I ever got for a moving violation was in 1980. That was 31 years ago. 16 years before I ever got my CDL's. Now because I got these citations in one night I am now out of a job that my wife and I gave out best to for 6 years. AGAIN!!! The company DID NOT suspend us because what we did was so bad. They suspended us to show DOT they took action in hopes Dot will not fine them in a safety review. When DOT comes in and reviews a company they don't look at each driver they look at how many violations and accidents the company has had since the last review and what the company has done to correct the problem. The CSA is just a tool DOT has come up with to make this job easier. They don't have to wade through mountains of paper work anymore they just pull up the CSA report and drivers PSP report. It is a useful tool for DOT but it is making trucking companies so scared they will be fined it is causing the trucking companies to put drivers out of a job. A company can not fine a driver so the only thing left to them is probation, suspension and termination.

    One last thing. I have to give the company we worked for credit. We have learned through other companies we have applied to that has contacted and heard back from the company we drove for. They are giving us a good reference and are saying we resigned. I am taking this to be a good thing. They are doing what they can to help us find another job. It looks better when the say resigned than suspended or terminated. I thank them for that. Now when it come to unemployment that's another story and remains to be seen. If they tell unemployment we resigned I have two letters of suspension to prove them wrong. Maybe they will do the right thing again and not fight the unemployment but I am not holding my breath.

    Basically all I am trying to say is be careful. Watch your P's and Q's with these new rules it will be a lot easier to loose you job for a violation.
     
  9. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

    18,951
    8,981
    Apr 4, 2007
    0

    If you are suspended, you are not fired. How long is the suspension?



    As far as what you did, it happens. You have to live with it.
     
  10. 123456

    123456 Road Train Member

    10,555
    5,747
    Oct 22, 2010
    32179
    0
    Florida will not approve your Unemployment.

    Appeal it, you'll be approved..............

    95% of the time.................
     
  11. larry016

    larry016 Bobtail Member

    25
    15
    Mar 4, 2011
    Williston, Fl
    0
    To RoadMedic, you are right if you are suspended you are not fired but when you are suspended for 12 months how many people can wait 12 months to go back to work? Not me!!!

    To 123456, I do live in Florida but the company I drove for is in Kansas. I had to apply for unemployment in Kansas. I am hoping I go back to work with another company before I get unemployment but I applied for it just in case. We have a very good prospect and should know something Monday.
     
    jerezxp7 Thanks this.
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.