The New CSA 2010 rules can end your carer !

oh i agree that 1 year suspension was extreme, but you were upset the company did it, but you also agree they had to do it..??? you sound confused by it all...well good luck to you, as you know those CSA points carry over to the new employer..you have X number amount for the logs and X number amount for the speeding...

you already went over the "cap" (or 30) on the logs alone....

i think it's gonnabe tough for you. maybe you will get hired on by another company, but they will ask you to sign the consent form for them to pull up your PSP, and even though you KNEW your former employer has a bad safety rating, you now also gave them MORE points as well...do you think you're gonna have a good DAC from them..??

good luck to you...

let us know how you do with the "new prospect"...

 

I agree with you, csa is going to put good drivers out of work. Let us know if you get the unemployment, as other drivers will be applying for it as well.

 

Are you sure about that? The points stay with the previous carrier even though he separated from them, but my understanding is that the new carrier doesn't get dinged with them. The infractions will remain in the OPs PSP report though.

 

They do not carry over, however they will remain as you say on the drivers PSP and show patterns of illegal behavior. Say driving around on the wife/girlfriends log book. This will alert companies to drivers prone to violating the law and if employed will post a higher risk of receiving bad inspections on their record if employed

 

That's what I thought.

I've heard a hiring manager from Marten on the Dave Nemo show say that they'll look at a driver's record, even with a high point total. For example, poking around the FMCSAs website I saw an instance where some Texas flatfoot hit a driver with three instances of failing to display warning triangles - not one, but a ticket for each triangle - I'd think they'd take that into account.

This guy did say that even with a low point total, a driver that has say 10 inspections, but 6 of the inspections occured because a warning ticket for 1 or 2 mph over the speed limit (DOT cop's excuse to pull you over) was issued they wouldn't be able to hire you. That will be treated as a history of speeding.

 

yes, they carry over with him to the next employer...say the o/p (or anyone) racks up 50 points on his/her PSP, he gets to KEEP THOSE points on his PSP and they carry over with him to the next employer. he does not lose them for at least 3 years. all the while the company he worked for, if they got any CSA points, courtesy of the drivers, THOSE POINTS stay with the company for 2 years...

so if a driver racked up the proverbial 50 points for himself, he does not lose them when he leaves an employer, they carry over with him (or stay with him) till he passes the time for them to drop off...you may have misunderstood what or how i said it.....

i mean i even said, "YOU have x number" ...specifying the driver.......not the company...

 

Rerun... I copied this from the FMCSAs CSA site, and this is FAQ no. 92:

http://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/FAQs.aspx

"How does a driver's violation history impact a carrier's Safety Measurement System (SMS) evaluation?

Carriers are evaluated only on inspections and crashes associated with their own USDOT Number, so only violations that a driver receives while working for a motor carrier apply to that carrier's SMS evaluation. Therefore, the driver's violation history before the driver is hired and after the driver's employment is terminated will not impact a motor carrier's SMS results. However, even if a motor carrier terminates a driver, all of the driver's crashes and inspection results that he or she received while operating for that carrier still apply to the carrier's SMS evaluation for 24 months from the date of occurrence. Because the data is time-weighted, the effect of those occurrences on the motor carrier's percentile rank will diminish over the course of the 24 months."

 

That is the problem with this.

If a driver has bad points and is let go at carrier A. The driver and the carrier retain the points for the period involved of 24 months to the carrier and 36 months to the driver.

These points will follow the driver no matter where he applies. They do not jump from the driver to carrier B. But carrier B may review driver and decide his point history is not something they want.

 

"OFFICIALLY" the "point history" doesn't follow the driver - and "OFFICIALLY" the new carrier is to have no knowledge of those points. The way the idiots in Washington think this is supposed to work is that information is only released in a sanitized version in the PSP report when we specifically allow it.

That's a good laugh - there are how many companies who reconstruct a drivers history from his infraction history out there? My carrier employed one of these outfits to examine the histories of all the current drivers last year in order to begin safety education interventions - no one got fired, but many drivers with excellent reputations found they had huge point totals. Next load to Springfield for a chat with safety, and a week of remedial education.

Heard a good line on the radio awhile back... "Data exists in a vacuum for only a short period." Now that this database exists, I feel its only a matter of time until the personal injury attorneys manage to lobby congress to release it to them for use in accident liability litigation.

 

Sounds like its time to find a new line of work to me...

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