The New CSA 2010 rules can end your carer !

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by larry016, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. jeddomike

    jeddomike Bobtail Member

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    Why was your wife suspended along with you. Is it that you are a team or did she receive a ticket for false log?
    Sorry to hear about you problem.
    Good luck
     
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  3. Sacred Feline

    Sacred Feline Light Load Member

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    DOT does NOT need an excuse to pull you over...it is all totally random, believe me.
     
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  4. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    There are states that still require "probable cause" - like Indiana and Pennsylvania. In those states, LEOs are still required to have a reason.

    Not that there's much respect for the Constitution these days. Although a federal court judge in Minnesota (of all places) did rule that even truck drivers have 4th Amendment rights.
     
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  5. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    Well I know I personally hate the CSA2010, I route myself around weigh stations and known inspection areas so I have less of a chance of running into the gestapo...
     
  6. Rerun8963

    Rerun8963 Road Train Member

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    you are saying what I AM SAYING...

    driver keeps HIS points for 3 years, if the carrier gets them, they last 2 years...this is what i have been saying....he (the driver) takes HIS points with him (or carries over with him) when he changes carriers....this is what i have been saying....
     
  7. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    The way you wrote it sounded like you meant the new carrier got the points as well. Sorry dude...
     
  8. Rerun8963

    Rerun8963 Road Train Member

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    yes, i know, and i did try to explain that many posts ago...

    sometimes i am not putting into words where it is understood up front..
    it's cool.
     
  9. larry016

    larry016 Bobtail Member

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    To Rerun8963, I'm not sure if it's me or you but for some reason we are seeing things differently. You quoted above, "but you were upset the company did it, but you also agree they had to do it..???"
    Of course I was upset the company did what they did. But I do not agree they had to do it. I said I understand why they did it. Understanding why is not agreeing with! I feel the company could have taken another course of action. For example probation for 12 months. I feel that would have served the same purpose. Yes they were upset with me for adding to their already bad safety rating but in their defense I guess they felt protecting the company from a DOT fine on a safety review was higher on the latter than loyalty to a employee, even when the employees involved had done a good job for the company for 6 years and had a clean driving record. Again, this is understanding why, but not necessarily agreeing with.

    There seems to be some confusion on the points. Here's how it works. The points will go on my PSP and will be there for 3 years. The points will go on the companies safety rating and will be there for 2 years. Now when I go to a new company the points on my PSP will follow me but the points will not go to the new companies safety rating, they will stay with the old company. In other word the points follow the driver but will not jump from company to company.

    Here's what this all boils down to. I broke a law. I got caught. I got suspended from my job. I do feel the cop could have been a little more understanding and only wrote one ticket instead of 2 citations and a warning. Can I blame the cop? No I can't he was only doing his job and it wasn't his fault I did something wrong. That's on me. But be it right or wrong I can't help feeling upset that because of the cop's lack of understanding and compassion for writing me 2 citations and a warning instead of writing just 1 citation cost my job and my wife's job. What is really hard to get past is he pulled me over under false pretenses. He said I was speeding is why he pulled me over. That was impossible!! The speed limit was 65, my cruse control was set at 65 and my truck had a governor that was set at 65 and it was flat ground, not down hill. He was targeting trucks using the excuse of speeding. I will bet you this though. Under the same circumstances if I had been going the same speed and had not been able to tell him my truck was governed at 65 I would have gotten a speeding ticket instead of a warning ticket. This cop was out to write tickets he just got lucky when he stopped me. You can't blame a man for doing his job but you can be upset with him for how he does his job.

    The same pretty much holds true with the company. Under the CSA rules I can understand why they felt they had to protect the company. But I can't help being upset that after 6 years of dedication and loyalty to the company they showed no loyalty to us. They suspended us for 12 months, now I don't know about any of you but not many people can wait out 12 months. I feel 12 months probation would have served the same purpose. They put us out of the truck in Kansas with no offer to help us get home. We live in Florida! We had too much stuff in the truck to put on a plane so I have to rent a mini van which cost me including the gas about $650. Now when we get home not only are we out of a job we are almost broke.

    It was not my intention to cry about the cop or the loss of my job. I only told you about all of this to give you the story about what happened to us. Like I stated before I broke the law. That's on me and it is something I will have to live with, at least for the next three years. I can only hope I can find a company willing to hire us with these points. Also I am hoping the lawyer can get the charges reduced to a lesser charge so the fine won't be as high. I am still facing these fines with no job to pay for them.

    My sole intentions for starting this thread was to let everyone know about the new CSA rules and what they can do to you. I blame myself for breaking the law but I blame the CSA for putting my wife and I out of a job and making it extremely hard to find another.
     
  10. larry016

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    To Jeddomike, There was no reason to suspend my wife except we were teams. She did not get any violations, citations or warnings.
     
  11. Rerun8963

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    i ain't the one that is confused, i do know how it works....you are talking to the wrong person...

    that is correct, it was on you, no one argued that with you...and no, YOU can't blame the cop doing his job...BUT.....


    here you are, blaming the cop after all..why in God's name would he or should he show you (or ANY OF US) any "compassion" when we are SUPPOSED to be those professionals on the road..??

    you got SOLID PROOF the speedometer is 1000% accurate on your truck..?? are you 1000% the cruise control was set at 65 mph..?? you got the "black box" reading on that..??

    no, you are wrong......first you say he was DOING HIS JOB......but you are upset because HE WAS DOING HIS JOB...??? you must be bi-polar....

    the points you got, 63 in total may have been way too much for them to fathom....on 2 seperate BASICS of CSA...


    i too agree the suspension was too much, yes, probation would have been better, but just like a rookie or newbie, they kicked you out into the cold for what you did...now it may have been better to expect they at least got you to the yard, but hey, maybe they had enough...and figured you were smart enough to get those tickets, so you were smart enough to get yourself home....heck, they may have even thought you and the wife were playing the 'logbook game" and you were always doing the driving...???

    that is all you can do, reduce the fine, but the CSA points stay, unless you can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt you were given those points unjustly, and i can assure you, when the complaint gets back to the police dept, they will fight that all the way....

    but you also didn't blame, but did blame the cop for DOING HIS JOB..

    face it, you did a "bad" you got "caught", now you think the rules should be changed because you had 6 years with that company, and you did what you did because the wife was sick....or was she really..???

    you are "warning us" about CSA, but at the same time, you are crying a river of crocodile tears about all you are going through....it's falling on deaf ears to many of us...



    this is what WILL happen, both get axed.....i saw this happen when i worked for the former Victory Express (now US Express) out of Medway, ohio. in fact, with Victory, they were gung-ho on firing teams when one driver fell asleep behind the wheel and the truck rolled over..they felt that if one driver will do that, so would his co-driver...

    weekly, (or at least every 2 to 3 weeks) newbies (team drivers) were being fired.....and i'd see all the wrecks in the back of the shop...
     
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