The odds are in favor of the house

Why wouldn't one believe his number ... I've pulled close to 3600 miles, all live load/unload running at 62 mph ... pushing a truck governed at 70+ mph, 4150 is doable ... the more the stars align the easier would be, but it is not entirely unoptimistic.

 

He's probably a little jealous because it's to tough of a task for someone of his caliber to achieve in the given time frame.

 

I've been on here years and even though joseph and I dont agree on somethings like elogs and politics he is a staight shooter ,if he says he did that I believe him.

 

I also don't doubt rooster's numbers ... I do ok as an L/O ... better than most, not as good as some ... I get my home time, I control my truck, run where I want, when I want at the vagaries of the freight.

Some on here have said I don't make enough, some have called me a liar saying I couldn't possibly make what I say I do.

 

Ha ha you're not alone there.

 

Nice pile on.. good thing I'm nice and fresh from my easy day of not getting it done.

Yes the combined Cali-Oregon mileage I posted was way high. I forgot to take out the miles in Nevada when I run my calculation on the smartphone. I also wasn't sure his exact routing to get to Cali I'll give myself 40 lashes and don sackcloth for the rest of the week. Actual miles city center to city center is 1375 California + Oregon.

Halpinuout.... He doesn't need to prove anything to me. He's the one that offered up his paycheck for one week as if it was an every week thing. He's also the one that posted his mileage when someone other than I challenged him on his pay.

I use google quite well, what I didn't know was his routing. Now I know what route he took to Poway from Strasburg.

As forJealousy.. keep reading.

Day 1 723 miles. (65.7 mph) Front Royal-Strasburg- Jackson TN. 723 miles in 11 hours driving on I81 and I40 Va and TN. I'm aware of several construction zones in VA, a truck No-Fly zone aka 55mph from the VA line to about 20 miles south of Bristol. A second No-Fly zone from White Pine to the 75/40 split west of Knoxville. (thats about 60 miles of 55 zone by itself in case you're counting) Then a bit further west there's a grade with a serious truck limit.. 8 miles or so with a 35 mph limit? Probably wrong on the exact details, I havent been westbound across it in 3 or 4 years. Then you still have to go through Nashville, hope that part wasn't jammed up. Thats another 11 miles at 55 mph IF its not jammed up. I didn't even mention the drive time on surface roads to get to the trailer in Strasburg. Oh yeah, and its a Friday. Curious if any of you defenders have driven I-81 on a weekday. Last time I did was a few weeks ago. Harrisonburg to Max Meadows on a Friday morning. I dont think I hit the 65 mph speed limit until I got south of Lexington. Too many trucks, too many cars, too many fools.


Day 2 and 3, Nothing to see here... Done it on elogs several times. But in case anyone is counting by the time he parked that truck on I-17 on day three he's at 33 hours driving and 1.5 hours of pre-post. 34.5 hours total for the week so far. Haven't counted a fuel stop anywhere either... I mean he's only went 2184 miles so far. Just over half the miles for the week, in the first three days. and he STILL hasn't got to Cali.

Day 4. Sedona rest area to Poway, Ca He doesn't say what route but lets look at the options. We can go the way Otter says is the right way. Back up to I-40 and catch 15 in Barstow to go south through Escondido. = 562 miles. He can go my way, South 17 to 10 to the Phoenix bypass to 8 = 440 miles. We already know what Otter thinks of my idea to use 8. The shortest option is 432 miles but involves a bit of surface roads through a small city. Last up we have I10 to Riverside and south. =480 miles. Not sure I wanna add 40 miles just to go through the Banning Scales. Call it 65 mph average for 440 miles = 6.75hours plus .5 hours for pre/post

Total for the week at this point is 41.75 hours if my 65mph guess on day 4 is even close. Thats with no fueling time accounted for. Total Mileage has to be real close to 2624.

At this point he has 28.25 hours to go the remaining 1526 miles. 1.25 hours of which would need to be logged as pre/post. That's 27 hours to average 56 mph. 1375 of which are in 55 mph states. We still haven't accounted for a single fuel stop. And we also know that he falsifies logs by not logging any pick/del time. "because he sleeps on the property". Good luck with that statement if you ever get a real level 1.

Now some of you want to make derogatory comments about what kind of driver I am while defending Joseph. Here's my response. I may be a ####y J/A but behind the wheel I'm the kind of driver who doesn't tailgate you or snail race you. I don't crowd you in construction. I'm guessing Joseph does all those things. To get 723 miles across I-81 and I-40 in 11 hours that's exactly how you'd have to drive in addition to ignoring 55 mph zones. I know the route well and have done it with ungoverned 500+ hp trucks running under 20k on the floor. Driving like a fool or falsifying are the only options. Hope he never gets pulled in a TN scalehouse with a log like that cause he'll be looking at a fat ticket in addition to the 7 days of falsified logs "because he sleeps on the property" and possibly a 10 hour OOS order. I'm sure Lessors would be pleased.

Otter.. Lets address your snide commentary about my suitability for L/P or O/O. I did the L/P thing for 15 months. Did moderately well. I currently own one truck, the 4th I've owned..Yep, I'm an O/O. I also have half interest in another truck. Both trucks are profitable thank you. I plan to make sure they stay profitable, in part because I don't ABUSE my equipment. To the TTR question of why a company would create their own competition, because drivers like Joseph tear up company trucks in accidents and just generally abusing them. I guess you're as poor a judge of people you dont like as you are of those you do.

Joseph.. If running illegal and driving like a Chicago container hauler is what it takes to get the job done in your eyes I'm happy I fall short of that standard. Hopefully you get a clue before you kill yourself or someone else. If you're lucky you may even wake up before some scalemaster or DOT cop decides to really look at your logs. I suspect if it ever happens you'll be posting looking for job leads.

 

I'm sure Joseph and I were typing at the same time on the routing...I didn't know he would drop down I-17 to I-10. Personally, right now I wouldn't use I-10 due to a bridge being washed out a couple weeks ago and the detour adds about 1.5 hours or more on the run from Phx to Riverside. Staying on I-40 across is more miles, but less time...as you said, Banning scale (Lessor's has pre-pass, so that could take that out of the issue), but the detour would keep me on 40.

For the "false log" theory, you are partly right with not showing time for drop-hook or loading and unloading. However, showing time for both pre and post trip inspection is not required, only one logged (time) inspection is necessary. This can be accomplished (legally) by including an inspection with a fuel stop. Since we all know, on e-log, fuel can be done in 6-8 minutes, and there is no rule or regulation requiring a driver to be hands on the fuel nozzle...get the fueling started, do your walk and thump around the rig, finish fueling, 15-20 minutes total time or less.

As to the traffic issue...I find it better to drive at night, less traffic and better time use. You sound like you're a sunlight driver, willing to deal with the clogging traffic...good for you, to each his/her own. It's been over a decade since I ran the eastern seaboard so as to the times and routes, I wouldn't make assumptions on the best or shortest routing or construction issues. But an 8 mile 35 mph speed hill, would only be 15 minutes, so you have a bit of an exaggeration of time to accomplish the distance. Nashville at 0200 is a (was a) speed limit actuality from my recollection.

Now, going off your retort, one can assume you don't tailgate since you said you don't. How could you when you clearly infer that you are a speed limit driver...so by regular standards (common assumption of regular traffic pattern and flow, coast to coast) you are running along at about 5-7 mph less than the flow of traffic, therefore, you can't tailgate since you don't keep up with the vehicle in front of you. Also in your retort, you assume that Joseph abuses his equipment. Why? Because he drives his rig aggressively, or makes better use of time than you do? Diesels are designed to work, not lug! Even though the newer engines are so called "low RPM" design, running a diesel engine at the upper end of the average is better for the components...just going by what I've been told by mechanics and technicians, I'm neither, just a driver that takes care of his equipment and doesn't abuse it.

 

His posting stated starting in front royal on friday morning. Even if it was late morning you're looking at I-81 in the afternoon and doesnt address the nearly 100 miles of 55 zone not including construction. I ran his first days route for several years usually once a week. 723 miles simply isnt doable without driving like you're in a white chicago volvo or falsifying a paper log.

I don't make a habit of picking on someone for running a few mph over, even in Cali. Im as guilty of it as the next sometimes. I take exception to how he presented this trip. Also how those of us who try to present the other side of this whole l/p arguement are treated as parriahs.

Anyway im done posting on this thread. Unless my name comes up. My point is made. Logs were falsified.

 

I don't think the argument is treating any L/P as pariahs, not this thread. The basis of the thread was to get information out that most leases, especially lease-purchase contracts are not good for the driver, but better and jaded to the lessor.

Just to bring a little "possible possibility" to the discussion...Friday morning could also mean 0030 hours and run that 100 miles of 55 before the morning crowd gets their first cup of coffee. Now your reference to "white chicago volvo", hmmmmm, what could you possibly be referring to?