The truth behind elogs.

I don't think they are angling for Mexican drivers. They are already bringing in Eastern European and Indian drivers like crazy. They will just up those numbers. otherwise I think you are pretty much correct.

 

Who let the government collar them and tell them when bedtime is and when work time is? Lazy bums, cowards and cucks.

 

I don't know what that C word means, but if you are bypassing the censorship filters, with a F word instead then we don't want it.

Your position will come across with a little more acceptance when some of the filthier words are left at the lunch counter. Effinham Jokes aside... those are fun.

I decided that this industry is the only one that tells people when to sleep or when to stop etc. It's not acceptable. You don't see the US Military in War saying whoa wait a minute, Infantry is all dog tired, let's stop this work until they get some sleep. It's not happening.

With that in mind, I lean towards a total scrapping of the HOS regulations. There is a reason it did well from 1930's all the way to the 2000's and suddenly no one can do anything with the HOS without excessive complaining.

Fine, toss the HOS entirely... however... attach the force of law to a truck driver who is supposed to be a trained professional who says he or she is too tired to drive safely overnight becuase he or she has been waiting at the dispatch office counter for 14 hours today since breafast at 5 am waiting on a load that no one seems to attach a time importance or urgency to until the last minute before they put on the coat and leave for the day, oh by the way junior, here is your load to Chicago for 6 am tomorrow morning, don't be late.

Never mind that Junior has effectively served you for 14 hours off books pesting you for a load all day. You have a load? No? 15 minutes later you have a load yet? no? Do you finally have a load? Oh? Tomorrow morning chicago? do you understand Ive been up all day standing here bothering you for a freaking load and now you give this tripe to me? I don't think so. Im not safe to drive.

Dispatch "Yer fired"

And that is the end of you. Junior.

now... if a Airline Pilot says he has a booboo and took Benedryal for it to get a nap tonight before flight, the rules under FAA says that pilot cannot fly tonight due to the Bendrayl. (Look it up... it's in the regulations...) and no one will force that pilot to get into the plane with that sniffle and benedryal inside of him. And they cannot and will not fire him either.

Give truckers the same protection and buttress the word "No" with the rule of Law and all it's power and protect the same Professional Trucker, from firing etc. We will probably suddenly have a much better culture in the entire Trucking Industry. No more abuses.

And that is that. Maybe the dispatch and sales people will learn to make the appt for the next day and give the junior the load to chicago just after breakfast. They spent all day putting together this load, it can wait another 24 precious hours. Because it will most likely be late and the customer will force the junior to babysit that load 24 hours. Do you not see where I am going with this?

It's morning Junior, time to go after your breakfast, here is your load to chicago. Trailer is in the back. Go get it.

Way way way better than Junior hanging around your counter all day asking you every 15 minutes you have something? ANything? Nothing? why not? 14 hours unpaid asking for work. It's wasteful. Multiply that by 50 juniors in the drivers room doing the same thing. That's wasteful But since they are not being paid at all... no over time, no minimum wage no nothing the Motor Carrier can be entitled to abuse the junior driving workforce all day with nothing ready until sundown and then suddenly expect the same to show up in Chicago 650 miles overnight. It's not going to happen.

If you ever notice on CSpan, about 30 Congressmen in the House leadership on down to just the people associated with the bills being debated and voted on today and only today showed up in the House chamber. The other 440 or so congressmen and women did not bother to show up unless a major vote is called up by the speaker where everyone has to come down and vote now. Since they get paid 180,000 dollars a year salary, what do they care? They can sleep in the daybed at the federal building down the street from the US Capitol waiting for such a vote all day.

Junior drivers do not feel like they can sleep all day waiting for that inevitable #### load from Dispatch tendered a hour ago due in Chicago by 6 am in the morning. They wont.

Do you not understand where I am going? Toss the entire HOS structure. Logs too. And replace it with a legal form certifying the driver's time spent today however it is spent. so that if anything happens tonight on the way to chicago when Mr Sleepy Junior kills a family on the highway, that form will testify that Junior spent 14 hours since Breakfast bothering Mr Dispatcher every 10 minutes for a load.

THAT would be a whole lot more enforceable with a powerful common sense and the power of Law can be applied to protect Junior when he or she says NO. He or she will not take this trailer to Chicago. SImply because he or she has been up all day inside your motor carrier office asking for a load. He or she is also hungry for miles now because no one pays him or her a #### cent for anything. While you the Dispatcher gets salary and maybe commission for the loads you get across the USA. What do you care if you quit at 5 pm and go home?

Juniors cannot quit and go home. They can be fired and sent home while another fearful Junior too new to speak up and stand up for him or herself will meekly take your load and maybe kill a family on the way. That junior is disposible to your company. Nothing will happen to you Mr Dispatcher. Nor to the shipper and reciever. Nor to the trucking officers in the company unless it's in Georgia or something.

Ive said enough. Toss the HOS, create a legal time card detailing a driver's time spent, create a salary based on 50 miles ah hour average at .50 cents a mile 25 dollars a hour waiting for that load in the dispatchers room. The thought of having to pay Junior $350 dollars gross hourly total for 14 hours of his or her waiting on your mr dispatcher should light a fire on your unmotivated butt. And get the loads moving much quicker. Eforce it with federal overtime and other payroll rules Given to just about all other professional industry men whatever it is they are doing in life.

Trucking is the one industry that gets abused. And bent over. That needs to stop. But until there is a National reform that begins in the Congress top to bottom and rolls down across the entire industry nothing will happen. And 30 year experienced valuable drivers like myself will be more than happy to sit home and not drive at all under anything knowing the abuses that roll on every day.

For those of you telling me or plan to tell me just how expensive the grocery store is fixing to get with the 2.50 a pound apples from Yakima Washington, Wentachee red delictious to be exact will become 10.00 a pound apples to pay for my new proposal int he laws.

Since I made 350 dollars today sitting on dispatcher's desk all day I can afford those 10.00 a pound apples.

 

Right on, blind sheep. His "theory" could be wrong but we all know "safety" is not the reason for none of this crap....

 

Eld=safety. Nope.
Bigger government intrusion.

I hear some say. Gives drivers the ability to tell dispatch, can't do it, not enough time. It also gives dispatch the ability to say you have to do it, you have time left on your clock.

Hos not what I want. Until some safety advocate comes up with another "safer" idea. I use the rules I'm given. Not that the current rules are the ones I started with..

I have a clean mvr, it has been that way for quite a while.

Eld's should be voluntary. They were. Then big government and big business seen away to gain more control.

I don't need the added layer of bureaucracy or the extra expense.

Next to come will be speed limiters, using the same box.

Also the eld's allow less educated people to drive. Just push a button. Less education, less pay.

Because I prefer paper doesn't make me a cheater or a lier. I'm just another person spinning his wheels to make a living.

Good luck.

 

The C word you're looking for is "cuckold." The husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision.

There's two ways to consider that. In the context of the post you quoted, it's a man that lets other men have their way with his wife. Possibly while he's also being lazy or a bum in the mean time. In other words, lacks initiative or drive. A layabout. Unwilling to stand up for himself.

You could also make that cuckold a victim like junior in your story. Everything's good until that other man comes along. So that's the villain, not the poor cuckolded husband.

No one is holding a gun to junior's head to stay up all day waiting for that overnight dispatch.

Driving a truck is not an entitlement, nor is the only possible occupation and paying job to be had on the planet. If junior can't manage the rigors of being a spoke in a 24 hour wheel, there's other things he can do to earn money. It's not for everyone. Government and trade unions have been struggling to make junior successful for 100 years and it hasn't worked. One more try isn't going to work any better.

The post you took issue to points out that ELD enables and streamlines abusive driver management instead of preventing it. You don't like that because it suggests that your victim should also take responsibility for managing his time. Of course that ain't right, because you can't be a victim if you can't blame everyone else for your circumstances.

The only thing that fixes that industry treachery is for all the juniors to pass on the driving job offer and instead go to work putting shingles on roofs, finishing concrete slabs, digging ditches, or the like.

Just imagine, that might even cause a driver shortage!

 

And we know this, i think it's more about compliance to minimize those who are dishonest.

 

You mean those who are yet still free not to abide by the BS... Lol

 

You mean those who ##### about elogs and want the flexibility of paper, which we all know is ######## code for I cheat but make it look legal, don't kid yourself your aren't fooling anyone

 

I appreciate the updating and education on the words. Learn something new every day. I will say that I have never in my life time heard of or dealt with people who had a cheating spouse, voluntarily or otherwise. But with the education you provided I understand now better.

I'll have to sit and rethink the junior scenario I laid out, it has as you say many flaws in it. Time itself is a problem when people have been up too long waiting on a load. I would have to learn what it takes to generate a load to give to Junior. Surely it does not take 14 hours to send him to the shipper and go get it. Even though a load might need more time than that to physically make ready for loading, such as blast cooling from the fields etc. for produce.

Somewhere in this mess should be a solution that makes most everyone happy.

I think at the end of the day, the greatest problem I have is the excessive amount of hours if not days that are lost to waiting. I don't mind waiting, example would be three days at fort collins meat plant to get loaded (that was unpaid by the way) for sacremento. And fort collins is pretty remote to where it's not really possible to bobtail to denver and do some local work in that three day period. It's possible. But we never tried it.

What I am trying to show also is that when a trucker wakes up from bed in the morning during a workday, that driver's time is valuable because the human body begins it's own time clock to where after a certain time passes by it must get ready to get some more sleep because it's hard wired into life itself as a human being. You would think that the entire industrialized world up until the 1890's closed up shop and went to bed at night unless they were employed in a mission critical situation such as a police man on the night shift or a power plant operator.

We are a 24/7 365 day industry. And a great part of that is being able to go when the dispatcher finally has a load ready for you. It might be better for that dispatcher to stack his overnights into a morning dispatch with new appointment times to match the morning departure. Even if the customer has to wait a extra half day to day for his freight. He can be assured that junior will be safer and not sleepy later in the afternoon when he arrives in Chicago.

Some shippers and recievers work differently too. If you have several hundred trucks show up in the day time to unload, you will notice local store distribution trucks on the other side of the warehouse being loaded with orders to different stores that will go out at night so that the stores will have it tomorrow morning. However usually there are no drivers waiting to drive those overnight trucks because they are at home sleeping and resting like they are supposed to be prior to the night work.

There is no real way for Junior to be resting in his bunk waiting on dispatcher inside the company property without being bothered by any number of company staffers unless it is understood that junior is waiting for a load that will go out when it's ready tonight for a overnight. By then Junior will be rested and rolling. That would pretty much take care of the majority of my previous writing about how junior sits for 14 hours at the dispatch counter.

I can go on, but I don't want to confuse any further or muddle any additional issues that need to be brought up and debated about HOS related problems and conflicts.