the unnecessary usage of j-brakes, why????

I use the jake between shifts when I'm loaded. I am no idiot, and anyone who uses it has no problem shifting!! It actually takes more skill because your not using a dummy tach to tell you when to shift. There is a couple reasons for doing it. 1.More power. 2. Allows a faster shift. 3. Gets speed up faster. You say learn how to shift? 37 years behind the wheel, and your telling someone who shifts with a jake to learn how to shift????? LOL B.S.!! Someone with 37yrs under their belt would know not to come off with a remark like that. That would be like me telling Brad Pitt to learn how to act! enouph said....

 

Cause when he can't understand that trucks haul every thing nessicary for the average person to live on an ongoing basis . And I am pretty sure if we were standing face to face wouldn't have infered that I 'am a moron.
And never jaked the main shift on a two stick in 37 years must truck in pretty flat land. Lets see you no jake boys run in the real hills. What if some town council decides you can't run on the highway that passes through their town after say 7:30 PM and it's 150 miles out of your way to go around . Properly muffled compression release engine brakes are part of the system. Nobody knows if I use my Cat retarder unless they can see me apply it. I still say that the no retarded or no jake laws should only apply on residential streets Not when a town or city on a main truck route puts traffic lights at the bottom of a long hill. If the whole transport industry put a little effort into letting the average person know how much almost everything they touch was brought by truck there might be a little more respect payed to the industry instead of, "get those noisy stinky polluting trucks away from me.."....

 

Well that's easy to fix. 2mph in low all the way down.

There's a small town in Mo way out on a two lane that has a sign posted coming into town. Jake prohibited $20,000 fine. I never had that much trouble fumbling around to switch it off in a hurry as I did just then.

 

What did you guys do when you had a truck with no Jake?


If you use a Jake to shift you don't have shifting figured out...Sorry to burst your bubble but I learned how to drive on trucks with two sticks and no Jakes!

 

Bet they don't even "hear" one of the locals roarin' through town on an un-muffled Harley!

 

1.Those trucks were geared alot different, and would be lucky to see 60mph. 2.Every vehicle back then moved alot slower, and you didnt have people darn near driving up under your truck trying to get around you. 3.Not near as many vehicles on the road allowing trucks to move at lower speeds without holding someone up. I invite you to try driving in my home state of West Virginia on the primary or secondary roads with a loaded TT and no Jake. One of two things would happen to you my friend, 1. You would lose your brakes (do to over heating). 2. A coal truck or log truck would come up on you and your truck, (Moving about 4mph) and run over you. Maybe in the flat lands you could get away with no Jake, But here and now you would either be in a accident, or cause 1. Now, on to the Jake: When I shift with the jake, its primarily for a faster shift. I dont shift at any certain rpm. I shift according to the road, and my truck, that might fall at 1500rpm on the up shift, or 1800rpm on my down shift (which would throw her runnin in the 22- 2300rpm range) with a 13sp. I do not use a tach, or a certain set rpm range to shift at. I know my truck!

 

My 1975 W900 had a Dana Spicer 4X4 and a 1693 Cat (no jake) I ran all over the western mountains and never had a problem with hot brakes or shifting gears...

What planet were you driving on?

By the way that old KW would do 90 MPH all day long...

What did they do before the jake brake was invented or in common useage?

Probably not...

If you've never learned how to drive without jakes...I'm sorry for you!

What would you do in the event of a failure of your jake brake?
Sit on the side of the road waiting for a service truck?
I'd just drive it in and mention to the mechanic that the jakes were "non op".

Good for you...But if a guy that drove for me drove that way I'd can him in an instant!

 

No doubt about it!! But you see theres a big difference between us and that Harley. That guy on the Harley has some money...We're tryin to make some money.

 

First off, I didnt say I couldnt shift with out a jake, it just allows a faster shift. I have to say a 75 model that would run 90mph, very impressive. I had a 84 LTL9000 that would do around 85- 90mph, but never drove one before that, that had that ability. Before the Jake, you ran slower, alot slower. You know I hear alot of people refer to their trucks as 80,000lb rigs. Our triaxles gross that and more. Yes, you would get run over. In the event of a failure to my Jake, which actually happened to me this past summer, I did drive it to KSD diesel in Bridgeport WV. Had it hooked to a computer and was told the first stage went bad, second stage was good, but third stage showed it was bad in the computer. I drove the truck home, replaced first one and wired all three together. Now granted I only have a single stage, but when it comes in, all six cyl. come in together. Fire me, hell, I'd quit first!! I have to say I am very mind boggled by you and what you have to say. By the way you talk, you really dont understand what it is your talking about. I've drove several years now, and worked on alot of trucks, and I have to say I dont understand where your coming from. But, heres an idea, you drive how you like and I'll do the same. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Randall

 

You are right....We'll never agree on this.

Suffice it to say that we are debating apples and oranges here anyway because I don't run a tri-axle coal bucket nor do I ever intend to.

I'm talking about over the road trucks...That's quite a difference.