The Whole Truth and Nothing But the Truth?

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  1. 2wildT

    2wildT Light Load Member

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    I'd keep that piece of paper locked away in a secure location for later use. As stated earlier on your post, trucking companies just want you to account for the last ten years of employment and any gaps in employment. If the trucking company can't accept you having the integrity to tell the truth about your past, are they worth working for in the first place? You haven't been found guilty of any crimes.....doesn't that translate as you've been proven innocent.......dismissed charges........they're just trying to save face. Good luck and best wishes with your trucking career!
    Don't worry about the haters, they're everywhere looking for something, someone, some group.....whatever to fill that part of their lives. For the wicked can't sleep until they've done evil for the day. Sound familiar? Again good luck to you.
     
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  3. wwest

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    Thanks! That's exactly how I feel. On the other hand, I was obviously way too naive thinking that Covenant was actually interested in living Christian values. So the question becomes, if a company that markets itself as valuing integrity does not - are there ANY such companies? You've given me hope that there might be.

    Remember, how when you were a kid your parents told you to be a good sportsman and not be a sore loser. Apparently not all of us were raised that way.

    We lovers tend to talk and the haters tend to shout. So sometimes their shouting is hard to take. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you and all the others who have demonstrated that the haters are NOT a majority. They're simply working overtime trying to bolster a losing cause.

    As you remind me, I've seen the last reel of this movie and we win in the end.

    Thanks so much for your positive spiritual energy!

    Yeah, having experienced this thread. A condensed version is best.

    I only know too well, the difference between SIS and SES and learned it the hard way in Galena, Missouri.

    What's not being understood here is how law ACTUALLY works vs how lawyers and the media tell you it works.

    You do not need to be convicted to be sentenced - if you volunteer to be sentenced. A "conviction" is what occurs if a person does not volunteer and then loses during the trial process.

    A suspended imposition of sentence does not deny that you've been sentenced, it simply states that they will forgo THE IMPOSITION of that sentence which HAS occurred.

    If I have a knife and I choose not to cut my steak with it, the knife still exists. I haven't imposed the knife on my steak but the knife still exists, it's still available.

    Until you go to a site such as http://www.sedm.org and really bear down and study law, you are simply a sheep following the advice of wolves. Visit the above site for six months and your eyes will be opened.

    Law does not work the way you think it works. Neither does it work the way lawyers tell you it works. Law is a game of double-speak. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DICTIONARY, for God's sake!

    The very words you think mean one thing, mean something else, in their system. For example, did you know that IN LAW a corporation is defined as A PERSON? You have to research these issues in Black's Law Dictionary. You're using the meanings found in Webster's dictionary. YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

    Rhetorical question: What's the difference between a statute and a law? Until you know the definitive answer to that question, you're just shooting blindly in the dark.

    As Mack Attack says later on . . .
    He admits he pleaded. What he doesn't understand is that a plea is a voluntary act and gives the court immediate and direct jurisdiction (called "original" jurisdiction). One is not required to make a plea and cannot be forced to do so.

    Because of lack of experience, Mack confused the term "conviction" with "sentence". If you've already volunteered to be SENTENCED, then you no longer need to be convicted. The process is over.

    There is no double-standard between MD and DOT, both recognize that Mack was sentenced. Meanwhile, apparently Werner does not make such fine distinctions. As far as they're concerned a sentence is the same as a conviction.
    You can't blame them - Mack made the same mistake.

    The average person doesn't know that a separate dictionary exists for law.

    Ultimately, all of these words and all of these posts have occurred as a result of lack of experience. In particular, unfamiliarity with the LEGAL DEFINITIONS of words you think you understand. If you're using Webster's for your definitions, you'll be wrong every time. You MUST consult BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY!

    Now that we're all exhausted, let's move on to answering Mack Attack about how best to fill out his applications!

    please

    We'll hold you to that, friend.

    Best wishes for you in your travels and remember to always DRIVE SAFELY. :hello2::hello2::hello2:
     
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  4. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I believe that's all on you. You're trying to split hairs here when a application is simple. The questions are either yes or no. You know (or should know) that when they ask "have you ever been convicted of a crime" that means are you guilty or not guilty. It doesn't matter if you took a plea or not. When the court says you are guilty then you've just been convicted no matter how you got there. I've review a few applications and if I saw someone trying to avoid the questions or giving a long reason the application goes into the round file. You shouldn't have a problem about time unemployed if you just keep it simple. Don't try to explain why right there and let them come back to you and ask you. They might not even ask. If someone does lie on a job application it could be more serious than another problem. It's like stealing. That company can mark you as a liar and your career could be over. Just clean honest answers that are short and to the point. If you have to explain then I suggest you streamline your answers into a bullet format and us no opinions or assumptions.
     
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  5. DannyB

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    I don't have an opinion on the meat of this thread, but I DO know something about a statement in a previous post. ....

    "You're trying to split hairs here when a application is simple. The questions are either yes or no. You know (or should know) that when they ask "have you ever been convicted of a crime" that means are you guilty or not guilty. "

    That does NOT mean you are guilty or not. It means just what it asked, have you been convicted or not. Guilt has nothing at all to do with it. Remember, we have a LEGAL system, NOT a justice system, BIG difference.
     
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    Gashauler, I agree with your answer but being my attorney said I was not convicted of said crime because the state of MD said so by such and such statute and he gave me and the courts the statute I have to accept his word. No I wasn't trying to give any long reason to get out of it. As stated in Michie's Legal resources "Discharge of a defendant under this section shall be without judgement of conviction and is not a conviction for the purpose of any disqualification or disability imposed by law because of conviction of a crime" I applied after I was discharged from this judgement. So according to MD law I was not convicted. I never said I was unemployed to any company, I was just saying Werner told the state of MD I was laid off when I applied for unemployment. I had another job before those benefits would have kicked in. When in school to get my class A cdl we were always told not to lie on any application so when my attorney told me what to answer to "Have you ever been convicted of a crime" I had to think twice about answering that question. If the question asked " Have you ever been arrested" my answer would have been different.
     
  7. wwest

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    Your quote shows that you misunderstood my reference at the time, which was specific to what Mack, Wooly and I were talking about. Nevertheless, what you said is good advice. Thanks.

    Exactly. You have pierced through the very heart of the matter.

    I go back to something Wooly said, I'm proud to have been incarcerated. Especially on phony charges. I'm certainly not ashamed. Whereas, I would be ashamed of being unemployed for over a year.

    Myself, I'd rather tell them I was incarcerated than tell them I was "unemployed" (which is really kind of a half-truth). But if the trucking companies are going to read "incarceration without a trial or conviction" as "guilty" then I really have no choice but to say "unemployed." Point is - I don't like that choice.

    I'm an American. In this day and age where nobody stands up for anything, I stood up for something. Like a Timex watch: I took a lickin' and kept on tickin'. Some ####### on this thread spent a lot of time trying to mock me. But they only wound up mocking themselves. The real Americans know exactly what I'm talking about . . .

    What's happened to America? You got a trucking company named, "Maverick" who won't hire anyone that's been fired. So they call themselves Maverick but they won't hire you if you ARE a maverick. Does that make sense?

    I got fired from Covenant for pointing out that their policies are deceitful and certainly not biblical. They were so ashamed of what they were doing, they couldn't even give me a reason why they were firing me. Certainly, Jesus wouldn't have fired me! Yet the hypocrites pass out bibles and call themselves, "Covenant." What a joke.

    Trucking is the backbone of America. It should be where the rubber meets the road. But ya gotta tiptoe through the tulips when you fill out applications. Kinda tell the truth - but not really.

    I just think it's a shame is all But I guess that's just me.
     
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  8. GasHauler

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    In the eyes of the companies and the law what's the difference?

    That makes it real easy then. You answer no and show the statute if asked.

    Oh yeah, being in jail is much much better than being unemployed. "The point is" to get hired on to a job. The companies can say or do anything they like in hiring. If you have a long and complicated application then your application goes into the round file. It doesn't matter how patriotic you are or how you stood up for yourself. You may feel that jail time is better than unemployment because I assume you reference that against not being able to find work. But what if the company thinks someone could be home taking care of a sick family member? I doubt a company would think jail equals conviction. We never would but it does raise a red flag for more questions.
     
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  9. Shaggy

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    Hhahaha this isn't POL calm down, Disregard have no clue and speaking donner to you.
     
  10. Oi!

    Oi! Road Train Member

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    do what now
     
  11. joseph1135

    joseph1135 Papa Murphy

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    This thread gets the 2014 insanity award. And it's only February.
     
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