There is money to be made with 9+ mpg trucks

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dice1, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. russellkanning

    russellkanning Medium Load Member

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    yea .... I loves them light loads

    so what are other guys numbers at different weights?
     
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  3. Dice1

    Dice1 Road Train Member

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    Aerodynamics can also make a huge difference with flatbeds and especially O/S loads that can pull alot heavier than they are with a headwind or head crosswind.

    Even huge A/C or chiller units that take up the entire trailer can cause alot of aerodynamic drag going thru the cooling vanes.
     
  4. Dice1

    Dice1 Road Train Member

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    I agree!

    Truck smarter not harder!
     
  5. wimp

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    From post #108 on page 11:
    From post #85 on page 9:
    Ok Dice, you asked for it :biggrin_2558:...

    The problem here is that you're figuring driver pay as a cost (taking money OUT of your pocket).
    If someone else was driving your truck it would be a cost, but if you're the one driving the truck that's $0.50 per mile profit IN your pocket.
    The way you're figuring it the "cost" of the driver pay is increasing as the speed increases, when in actuality the PROFIT of the driver pay increases as the speed rises.

    I like to figure out how much $ I'm making per hour. It's easier for me to see what's really going on than by figuring by the year.

    Using your example of a poor mpg truck:
    Fuel cost per mile for 70 mph truck = $0.72 per mile
    Fuel cost per mile for 57 mph truck = $0.59 per mile

    Fixed cost per mile for both trucks = $0.29 per mile
    Variable cost less fuel per mile = $0.26 per mile

    So...
    70mph truck: $1.86-$0.72-$0.29-$0.26=$0.59 to the driver per mile
    57mph truck: $1.86-$0.59-$0.29-$0.26=$0.72 to the driver per mile

    The driver of the 57mph truck makes $0.13 more per mile, BUT...

    70mph truck: $0.59 per mile X 70miles= $41.30 to the driver per hour
    57mph truck: $0.72 per mile X 57miles= $41.04 to the driver per hour

    The driver of the 70mph truck makes $0.26 more per hour of driving (because they can drive more miles in an hour).

    140,000/70=2000hrs
    140,000/57=2456hrs

    Yes someone can work an extra 456 hours a year (6.5 weeks) making less per hour, but it really doesn't make sense to me why someone would. There's 168hrs in a week, I only work for ~70 of those. That leaves 98 hours a week I could spend working odd jobs on the weekends when I'm home or polishing wheels and tanks in the truckstops! Do you think I'm losing money by not spending the maximum amount of time working? (FYI, I used to work 137 hours a week making minimum wage no O/T until I figured out I could make more per hour and work less hours).

    Also, if the truck gets better fuel mileage than the one in your example the difference in pay per hour increases as the mpg does...

    Using Dice's truck hauling non-O/S as an example:
    We can assume Dice's truck at 70 mph gets 7.9 mpg and at 57 mph gets 9.2 mpg (1/10th mpg difference per mph).

    Fuel cost per mile for Dice at 70 mph=$0.525
    Fuel cost per mile for Dice at 57 mph=$0.45

    Dice at 70mph: $1.86-$0.525-$0.29-$0.26=$0.785 per mile
    Dice at 57mph: $1.86-$0.45-$0.29-$0.26=$0.86 per mile

    Yes, Dice makes $0.075 more per mile driving slow, BUT...

    Dice at 70mph makes: $0.785 per mile X 70miles= $54.95 per hour
    Dice at 57mph makes: $0.86 per mile X 57miles= $49.02 per hour

    Dice, you'd make $5.93 more per hour if you sped up to 70 (driving more miles in an hour). I don't know about you, but I'll take a $5.93 per hour raise any time it's available.

    To make $100,000 at 70mph actually takes you 1820 hours of driving.
    To make $100,000 at 57mph actually takes you 2040 hours of driving.

    Personally, I'll choose to make more $ per hour and work the amount of hours I feel I need to rather than make less per hour and work the maximum amount of hours I possibly can.

    Yes there's a "tipping point" where someone could make less per hour by speeding up, but they'd have to be doing worse than 5.7mpg at 70mph (someone else can figure out exactly what the mpg tipping point is if they feel like).

    Indeed.
     
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  6. king Q

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    Some doing the calculations here can be glad they are driving trucks and not being paid for their grasp of economics.
    I know actuarial science is not in the CDL curriculum but come on guys.
     
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  7. MNdriver

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    so your time is not worth anything to you,....

    And you like to give your time away to someone for free?
     
  8. king Q

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    Look , when there are opposing arguments about a topic I am always amazed at the what people use to back up their stand point.
    One can not successfully twist maths which is a science to fit ones desired outcome.
    Facts don't morph to prop up ones point of view.
    There are individual factors that have to be factored in.

    Now you get people posting calculations that ignore what they choose and try to pass the results as fact.

    BS factored in = BS results out.
    Theory and real life don't differ , contrary to what people often say.
    Incomplete or erroneous theory and real life differ.

    Opinion or desires don't make money and the thread is about making money not about doing what you want.
     
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  9. Jfaulk99

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    It's a no brainer that driving slower saves fuel. But like wimp said you spend more time in the truck.......no thanks. The famous line the fuel savers like to use is "laughing all the way to the bank" so I'll start using "I'm laughing all the way to the airport".

    I have a friend that works in logistics for a large steel company. In a casual conversation she told me someone picked up a load that only had to go 320mi and it had been 13days and he hasn't delivered it yet.......Probably getting killer fuel mileage though.:biggrin_2559:
     
  10. Dice1

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    Actually the fuel mileage difference would be even greater on the East Coast compared to the Western states where you have more wide open areas and less traffic to maintain speed. On the East Coast where I run alot we have traffic and alot of variable speed limits that the 70 mph truck will not only be breaking the law, but will do alot of accelerating up and down due to traffic that will be larger spread of fuel mileage than our 1/10th mpg per 1 mph and will probably be more like twice as much if not more of a difference. The 57 mph truck can and will maintain speed alot easier by going slower than most traffic.

    Now let's go look at the other variables to driving faster like more stops for fuel, more stops for lubes and more stops for maintainence to the truck along with the extra runs with DH miles to make up revenue difference to the trucks with 2 hours to load and 2 hours to unload per run.

    Using the driver pay of $0.50 and fuel savings of $0.13 per mile
    120,000 miles w/ 57 mph truck @ $0.63 pm = $75,600
    151,200 miles w/ 70 mph truck @ $0.50 pm = $75,600

    That's 31,200 more miles for the driver to make the same total revenue (Driver Pay + Truck Profit) for a 1 truck O/O fleet.

    That 31,200 more miles will need 70 extra loads using the industry average of around 450 mile runs as the average OTR run and considering the 2 hours to load and 2 hours to unload that is an extra 280 hours bumping docks no counting idleing time at those docks.

    Running 151,200 miles @ 70 mph compared to 120,000 miles @ 57 mph will cause the 70 mph truck to burn 9,385 gallons more fuel than the 57 mph truck and fueling up at around 120 gallons at a time taking 30 minutes each fuel stop (conservative) would take 78 extra fuel stops taking another 39 extra hours fueling.

    Don't forget the extra time needed for those lube stops every 15,000 miles that would take an extra 2 hours each that would add an extra 4 hours.

    And let's don't forget the unpaid extra deadhead miles of around 20% (conservative) that would take an extra 6,240 miles not counted in fuel or runs extra needed to make up for that, but just the time to run that @ 70 mph would equal 89 extra hours.


    So let's look at those hours again to make same total revenue:
    (Using the driver pay of $0.50 and fuel savings of $0.13 per mile difference)

    120,000 miles w/ 57 mph truck @ $0.63 pm = $75,600
    151,200 miles w/ 70 mph truck @ $0.50 pm = $75,600


    120,000 @ 57 mph = 2,105 hours ($75,600/2105 = $35.91 per hour)
    151,200 @ 70 mph = 2,160 hours ($75,600/2160 = $35.00 per hour)

    That is already 55 more hours in a years time on the road at 70 mph before I even add the other variables needed to equal total O/O net revenue with pay and fuel savings considered.

    Now let's add those hours up for the extras to the 2,160 hours @ 70 mph:
    + 280 (bumping docks)
    + 39 (fueling)
    + 4 (lubing)
    + 89 (DH miles)
    = 2,572 hours total hours @ 70 mph ($75,600/2,572 = $29.39 per hour)

    That will be 467 hours extra in a year @ 70 mph that is an extra 9 hours a week to spend at home and we are not even counting the extra miles wear and tear on the truck that would include extra maintainence for those needs. That extra $6.52 per hour ($35.91-$29.39=$6.52) is well worth it also to drive 57 mph.

    I used to drive that 70+ mph in and out of traffic to know that I do not want to go back to that way and I see the bottom line now driving less, spending less time on the road, spending less time on truck repairs/maintainence and making more money by slowing down that is alot less stressful.

    Again Truck Smarter Not Harder!
     
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  11. Dice1

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    Absolutely time is worth alot and making more per mile allows me to spend less time driving and more time at home.

    The numbers I posted above prove that.

    Running 57 mph allows me over 9 hours less on the road time to make the same money every week that running 70 mph would and in other words why drive 6 days a week when you can make the same money by driving only 5 days a week with alot less wear and tear on truck and driver.

    I have done it both ways and used to argue that slower was not better until I actually done it.
     
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