They need to mandate hourly w/ OT after 40

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Northeasterner, Jan 21, 2023.

  1. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    CPM wasn't a govt mandate and there is no reason to ask the govt to "fix" it. Inviting the govt to "fix" something just pushes more power toward big companies and lobbyists working for industry trade groups. EVERY driver is still free to work for hourly pay, or percent of load, or cows per month if they decide that is the best option. None of us have a right to dictate someone else must give me a job and pay me how I prefer. That's just tyranny from another direction. A truck driver could start his own business and provide show trucks, pay a $100k salary, and haul 100 cotton balls across the nation if he thought it would make money, but it doesn't so they make unreasonable demands and blame others.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Would that mean you'd have to send in x number of hamburgers for taxes?

    Sorry, couldn't resist
     
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  4. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    I would take a job being paid cows per month.
     
  5. Northeasterner

    Northeasterner Medium Load Member

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    Strikes are unlikely to work as long as cops and soldiers are willing to follow orders and pull the trigger on striking workers. You should read about the Battle of Blair Mountain for an extreme (albeit century old) example, or read what happened to the Freedom Convoy for a more recent example.

    I'm from New Hampshire. We have no income tax, no sales tax, the loosest gun laws in the entire country, some of the lowest crime rates, and a strong school choice program. So please don't try and lecture me about how "free" you think your state is, or some such nonsense. Our motto is "Live Free or Die", what's yours?

    Which part of Hicksville are you from, again, being against fair and transparent pay for workers?
     
  6. Northeasterner

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    Lease Purchases should be illegal. Either you own the truck, and can haul loads for whomever, and are truly independent, or you're an employee.
     
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  7. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    Now this I don't agree with. Some are very good and a person that knows his numbers can do it and make a better living than a company driver. The normal truck driver we see today will fail 9 out of 10 times and that is his fault for doing something he has no clue on what he is signing up for. Can't fix stupid if they sign up on own and not read or hire a lawyer to go over the contract. Business 101 is know what you sign!
     
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  8. Northeasterner

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    Well stupid is as stupid does, but not allowing businesses to rope drivers into contracts that say they're an "independent contractor" when they are only allowed to haul for that company, and the company therefore controls what they make etc. that's just a misclassified worker imho!

    Requiring more freedom for lease operators would go a long way to removing the incentives for abuse, since an underpaid lease op could go haul off a better load board or work for a better paying broker, go get cheaper insurance, etc. and so long as the payments get made they are dandy.

    I'm not against companies hooking drivers up w/ a truck... that's fine. But when they lock them in like they do, it's obviously abusive.

    Hmm, I see your point. Maybe not outlaw fleece op per se, but reform it? It clearly needs reforming.
     
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  9. Long FLD

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    I own my truck and am leased under a carrier’s authority. I haul exclusively for them. I can pick and choose where and when I want to go, but I can’t go pull other freight with their name on my truck. Should the government step in and protect me from myself?
     
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  10. Northeasterner

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    I wouldn't call you a lease-op, you're an owner op who runs under someone else's authority.

    Lease Operators do not own their own truck. They are not truly independent, they are just misclassified employees.
    If you own your own truck, then you can go run under someone else's authority or get your own.
    But many companies they own the truck, the freight, and in many cases the insurance/maintenance as well.
     
  11. Long FLD

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    I’ve made different choices so the government doesn’t need to make sure I don’t harm myself. Now let’s look at the reason why many people enter in to a lease purchase. The highest reason would probably be they can’t go to a bank and finance a truck on their own for one reason or another. So if someone has a history of poor choices that keeps them from having an adequate down payment and good enough credit for traditional financing why is it the government’s job to step in and take this choice away from them?

    I doubt anyone has ever been forced to sign a lease purchase at gun point. And I doubt anyone has ever been forced to work at a carrier that has a complex pay structure. People make their own choices, and some people end up with a tough road in front of them because of their choices, but that doesn’t mean those choices should be removed. Others make the exact same choices but don’t follow the same path once they do and they end up owning a truck after a completed lease. So because not everyone can do it the whole process needs changed or taken away? I could fail and lose my truck but that doesn’t mean traditional financing needs revamped. It’s not the government’s job to ensure everyone has a smooth path in life. That just leads to handholding and probably drags more people down than it lifts up.

    It seems we have two different views when it comes to personal responsibility. You won’t change my mind and I won’t change yours, so I’ll just bow out now.
     
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