They need to mandate hourly w/ OT after 40

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Northeasterner, Jan 21, 2023.

  1. Northeasterner

    Northeasterner Medium Load Member

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    I'm glad we agree on repealing the cronyist exemption on OT for hourly drivers. I still disagree about pay structures since piecerate has clearly stagflated since the 1980s deregulation and it's just not keeping up with the cost of living in most areas... What about a compromise, would you agree companies should have to track their piecerate employees hours, and at least pay them OT after 40? So an OTR driver making 60cpm would get 90cpm after 40 hours of on-duty/drive time in a week? The ELD gives them all the data they need, frankly and makes it easy to see if workers are actually working or not.

    I can personally testify to the fact that I've had DMs working local hourly who would call about a 20 minutes stop, I told them I was using the bathroom, and they were like "you gotta log off duty for that". So it's not like companies can't track work/non-work, companies are very very good at keeping tabs on their workers!

    I believe the feds require factories etc. to pay piecerate workers 1.5x the piecerate after 40 hours, just to avoid everybody switching to piecerate so they can get away with working their employees 60+ hour weeks and effectively lowering wages.
     
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  3. rbrtwbstr

    rbrtwbstr Road Train Member

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    Rising tides can sink a boat as well.. As I've said before, I don't really care about what others do, but last thing I want is more government intervention into anything. I don't advocate for anyone struggling to make a living, but I DO think a little struggle is not all bad. Makes you appreciate it more once you make it .

    I wouldn't be opposed to them removing whatever exemption the trucking industry currently has, but I can almost promise there will be some stupid regulations attached. And that's what I DON'T want
     
  4. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    If the government were to establish a minimum hourly rate then yes I would agree that however you’re paid should be able to be broken down to be at minimum wage or higher.

    I simply feel that companies should be able to pay how they want. Be it hourly, mileage, or percentage. There are a lot of companies paying a lot of employees in other industries in ways other than hourly, trucking should be able to operate the same way.
     
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  5. Northeasterner

    Northeasterner Medium Load Member

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    Why struggle in an age of abundance? Workers churn out ever-increasing amounts of goods and services are ever more streamlined in their delivery. Things should be getting better for workers, not worse. The only explanation for lowering standards of living is someone pocketing the difference or kneecapping the market.

    The problem is it's too easy for companies to create gimmicky, convoluted pay structures that they know #### well mislead job candidates and confuse
    employees.

    Roehl had a 50-page document outlining pay. US Mail carriers misrepresent what they contribute towards monthly health insurance premiums as part of the hourly rate (they'll say therefore it's $35/hr when it's really $29) and I've been at places where the PAYROLL dept. had to take 30 minutes to look up how exactly holiday pay worked, and after 15 minutes of back-and-force I *still* walked away confused.

    This is widespread in our industry and is patently unfair. Companies should be expected to do something as basic as payroll in a transparent, simple manner that the average truck driver can understand. There is no excuse for making things complicated except a desire to screw workers.

    Fleece operators who get negative paychecks, I could go on...
     
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  6. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Or drivers that think hourly pay and OT are very important could work for companies that pay hourly/OT. I've worked hourly as a driver. It is NOT the paradise most CPM drivers imagine. Your boss often decides to monitor your activity more closely to discover who is milking the clock and who is not. Life is full of decisions and consequences. Make them like the outcome is important. Govt is incapable of fixing problems, just changing one set of problems for a different set of problems, which will cause different demands for govt action, wash, rinse, repeat. We now have millions more laws than decades ago and hardly anyone is walking around singing about how few problems they have. EVEN UNION DRIVERS HAVE COMPLAINTS. They have hourly pay, OT, and written work rules. Why should everyone work under the type of pay you like instead of the type of pay trucking companies and drivers decide will work for them?
     
  7. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    OK Norma Rae, when is the strike?
     
  8. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Life would be much easier for everyone if they let you make all of the decisions. What part of New York are you from?
     
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  9. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Wouldn't the most unionized areas of the country be the most humane and pleasant places for workers to live? Maybe NY can build a wall to keep NYers from fleeing to better states with more opportunity and higher quality of life. It worked for the East Germans, for a while.
     
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  10. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Drivers are just part of the system.

    I remember the 'structure' at a union shop.

    Despite years of contractual wrangling, somehow, the numbers still ended up in the companies favor.

    Guys running mileage were 'time in' by Thursday morning meaning they had reached the point of making as much as the hourly guys hitting 40. They were not dispatched again that week UNLESS there was overtime AND we could get hem to answer their phone which NEVER happened .

    Hourly guys were guaranteed 40 if they started on Monday, less on Tuesday, and so on with 'junior' men starting their week on Wednesday or Thursday and worked the weekends.

    The company had all of their wage costs 'contained' and every day was a 'dance' of union vrs company as each interaction was 100% scripted by the union contract.

    The company still had the winning hand. Anytime the bottom men refused a call out [weren't dispatched the night before] you called the next junior man until you reached the last man who you could 'force' out or they were terminated.

    Somehow the junior man always took the force so the company won in the end.

    With a moderate amount of OT and none of the un-needed BullStuff the same amount of business could have been done by 2/3 rds of the drivers but that local would only have collected 2/3 rds the dues and penson fund monies
     
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  11. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Shouldn't the decision about the acceptable pay for a particular job be made by the applicant that wants the job and not some guy on the internet? If the job pays what he thinks is good pay, he takes it. If it is too low, he applies elsewhere. That system works better than more corrupt govt involvement.
     
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