This is *WHY* one must not "Blend" Amateur Radio with "CB"

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  1. delta5

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    First of all, I havnt turned anyone in. I DO have a right to my opinion. Also, last time I checked, it was not illegal to report crime. Since when is Part 95 not a big deal, but Part 97 is? LOL
     
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    THiS IS THE INTERCITY MINDSET YOU DON'T TELL THE PIGS ANYTHING.
     
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    The post that was quoted was what, over 7 months old?
    For all you know I may have had a word with Gadfly about this months ago.
    In fact I just finished reading several of his posts and found nothing that broke forum rules. In fact I found some that were helpful IMO. If you find posts from any member that you think violate forum rules feel free to report the post, and myself or one of the mods will review it and determine what, if anything, needs to happen. We can't possibly read all posts on this forum as there is in excess of 30K posts a month added to this site, so we don't catch everything.
     
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    HAHAHAHA! Man...Y'all just don't give up do ya?

    Galaxy 959 hard to modify? In what way are you talking about? I have seen 959's that can blow allot of the high powered exports right out of the water!

    As for as putting people in danger...Give me just one example of where someone with a Export Radio or a CB running with a Amp has ever put someone in danger...."Just One" will do...

    Another thing...Just want to point one other thing out about your commit...
    "Where do you get your info?" Who says the radios are not suppose to be here? The only problem with the radios is they are not FCC approved for 11 meter...If you don't modify the radios for 11 meter, there's nothing illegal about them...You just need your Ham ticket to talk on one...

    Anyway...I'm done here arguing with you guys about Ham Radio on a CB Radio Forum anyway...I know the Mods here are not going to do anything about it, so go a head and play your games as you see fit. I think for the most part people who are looking for a certain CB Radio or Mod for one, or info on how to hook up a Amp to their radio, are not going to post here anyway, and if they do, by the time they read threw all of y'all rants, they will just end up going to one of the REAL CB Forums that don't put up with Ham's coming in and down grading their hobby...

    For the record, I know all Ham Operators aren't like a few of the ones here on this Forum...But it's the small few that make the rest of you look like total jerks or idiots...And thats sad...

    Now I'm going out to my Suburban and talk a while on my Redneck-4000w CB Cell Phone...Y'all have a good day!
     
  5. delta5

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    The FCC has a list of radio models that are supposed to be banned here. The fact that distributors are still able to get them and sell them tells me a lot about how well the FCC enforces the rules. Just because some hickabilly cb hack shop sells them doesnt mean it is legal LOL

    http://swap.qth.com/fcc/fcc-cbtable2.htm
     
  6. delta5

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    ILLEGAL CB TRANSCEIVER LISTThe FCC’s Office of Engineer and Technology (OET) has evaluated the devices listed below and has concluded that these devices are not only amateur transceivers but can easily be altered for use as Citizens Band (CB) transceivers as well. As such, OET has further concluded that these devices cannot legally be imported or marketed within the United States for the reasons discussed below. Further, the FCC General Council has issued a decision in a specific case involving one manufacturer and has concluded that dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at issue may not be approved under the Commission’s rules and are in violation of several rules including the RF power level limits of 47 CFR 95.639. (letter from Christopher J. Wright, FCC-OGC to John F. Atwood, US Customs Service, dated May 17, 1999).
    Transceivers used in the Amateur Radio Service below 30 MHz do not require FCC authorization prior to being imported into or marketed within the United States, but transceivers for other services, including the CB Radio Service (CB), do require Commission approval. The transceivers listed herein and other similar models operate in the amateur "10-meter band" and are often referred to as "10-meter" radios or "export" radios. The amateur 10-meter band uses frequencies that are very close to the channels set aside for use in the CB service. Some of the transceivers that manufacturers call "10-meter" radios either operate on CB frequencies as manufactured and imported or are designed such that internal circuits can readily be activated by a user, a service technician or a dealer to operate on CB frequencies. According to Section 95.603(c) of the Commission’s rules, a CB transmitter is a transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized for the CB service. 47C.F.R. § 95.603(c). The Commission’s equipment authorization experts in the FCC Laboratory have determined that the transceivers listed herein and other similar models at issue here are intended for use on the CB frequencies as well as those in the amateur service because they have built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies. This capability can be readily activated by moving or removing a jumper plug, cutting or splicing a wire, plugging in a connector, or other simple means. Thus, all the transceivers listed herein and similar models fall within the definition of a CB transmitter. See 47C.F.R. § 95.603(c). A CB transmitter must be certificated by the FCC prior to marketing or importation. 47 C.F.R. §§ 95.603(c); 2.803.
    Moreover, the dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at issue here may not be certified under the Commission’s rules. Section 95.655(a) states: "….([CB] Transmitters with frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services … will not be certificated.)" See also Amendment of Part 95, Subpart E, Technical Regulations in the Personal Radio Services Rules, FCC 88-256, 1888 WL 488084 (August 17, 1988). This clarification was added to explicitly foreclose the possibility of certification of dual use CB and amateur radios, see id, and thereby deter use by CB operators of frequencies allocated for amateur radio use.
    In addition, the Commission’s equipment authorization experts have determined that these devices violate or appear to violate a number of the rules governing CB devices. For example, they may use emission types not permitted, or emit RF power at a level in excess of the levels permitted in the CB radio service. See 47 C.F.R. § 95.639.
    In view of the foregoing, the following "10-meter" transceivers are not acceptable for importation or marketing into/within the United States. Importation and marketing of these units is illegal pursuant to Section 302(b) of the Communications Act and Section 2.803 of the rules. Willful violations of the Rules and the Act may subject the violator to a monetary forfeiture of not more than $11,000 for each violation or each day of a continuing violation. The Commission continues to review this type of equipment, and additional makes and models may be added to this list in the future.
    LIST OF TRANSCEIVERS
    ILLEGAL TO IMPORT OR MARKET​

    NOTE FROM QTH.COM: This list was modified to include additional radios. Radios that were added are displayed with a hotlink to the documentation and/or reason for the addition
    COBRA - model: 200 GTL DX
    CONNEX - models: 3300, 3300 HP, 3300HP-ZX, 3300 PLUS, CX-3800, 4300 HP, 4300 HP 300, 4400, 4400 HP, 4600 Turbo, 4800 DXL, 4800 HPE, Deer Hunter, General Lee, General Washington
    EAGLE - models: 2000 (same radio as the Saturn) and 5000 (same radio as the Saturn Turbo).
    GALAXY - models: 33HML, 44V, 45MP, 48T, 55, 55V, 66V, 73V, 77, 77HML, 88HL, 93T, 95T, 99V, 2517, 2527, 2547, Melaka, Saturn and Saturn Turbo
    GENERAL - General Jackson, Grant, Stonewall Jackson, Lee, Washington, A.P. Hill, Longstreet, Sherman
    MAGNUM - models: 257, 357DX, Alpha force, Delta Force, Mini, Omega Force,S3, S3RF, S6, S9,
    MIRAGE - models: 33HP, 44, 88, 99, 2950, 2950EX, 2970, 6600, 88H/L, 9900,
    NORTH STAR - models: NS-3000 and NS-9000
    PRESIDENT - models: Grant, J.F.K., Jackson, Lincoln, HR-2510 and HR-2600
    PRO STAR - model: 240
    RANGER / RCI - models: AR-3500, RCI-2900, RCI-2950, RCI-2950-DX, RCI-2970, RCI-2970-DX, RCI-2980-WX, RCI-2985-DX, RCI-2995-DX, RCI-6300, RCI-6300 Turbo, RCI-6300F-25, RCI-6300F-150, RCI-6900, RCI-6900 Turbo, RCI-6900F-25, RCI-6900F-150, RG-99, Voyage VR-9000
    STRYKER - model: 440
    SUPERSTAR - model: 121, 122, 36, 3700, 3900, 3900HP, 3900 American Spirit, 3900 HP G, 3900 Gold, 3900GHPA, 3900GHPM, 4800, Grant
    TEK - model: HR-3950
    UNIDEN - models: HR-2510 and HR-2600
    VIRAGE - model: 3300, 3300 HP, VX-38, VX-39,
    For further information concerning the listed transceivers or similar models, contact Ray LaForge or Gary Hendrickson at the FCC Laboratory, 7435 Oakland Mills Road, Columbia, MD 21046, (301) 362-3041 or (301) 362-3043 respectively, or E-mail: rlaforge@fcc.gov and ghendric@fcc.gov


    When asking the FCC about other Ranger radios that appear to be easy to modify for 11 meter operation, but are not specifically listed above, the reply received was:
    Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:44:21 -0500
    From: "Gary Hendrickson" <ghendric@fcc.gov>
    We have not had the opportunity to evaluate these two models of Ranger radios, so I can't specifically that they are illegal. We would be happy to evaluate these models, if a "virgin" unit could be obtained from the manufacturer. But until we have such an opportunity, we must assume that they are legal, in that they are not designed and intended to have the capability of easily being altered to operate outside of the amateur bands.
    However, if you can determine, on your own, that out-of-band capability does exist, as defined in the other FCC information which you already have, then you could reasonable assume that they are not legal. 73, Gary Hendrickson
    Based on this information, other radios may be added to this list, if we receive information that they are extremely easy to modify for 11 meter operation.
     
  7. WA4GCH

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    You ARE correct a unmodified " Export " is not illegal to own it is mostly a poor low end 10 meter radio MODIFY it and then you get into intent to use illegaly. the FCC list IS because they are sold with the intent to be illegaly modified for CB....
     
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    I would like to see 1 instance where a peaked cb radio has ever casude a problem with a vhf radio in an airplane. Please . A lot of HAMS have this holier than thou attitude, then I find 50 link radios hooked to there repeaters, or yagis with un-godly gain on a erp restricted frequency. Please we all cut the corners, get off the soap box. This is suppose to be a place were drivers find information , you know educational of sorts. If your a HAM and not a driver and you want to throw stones go to a HAM site and have fun. If you want to help people understand, maybe even with a attitude that might make them want to get there ticket, then by all mean s help.
     
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    The instant you modify a cb radio in anyway to change its output, modulation or frequency you have destroyed the type acceptance an it is no longer legal foe anybody to operate.

    You need to double check you information before you spout of at the keyboard.
     
  10. delta5

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    Please explain? What do you mean 50 link radios hooked to their repeaters? And yagis with ungodly gain on an erp restricted frequency?