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what you mean percentage taken out of by carrier? I get 100% of the fsc. that 814.65 for the 900 mile run was just the fsc. my share of the linehaul was over 3 grand. that's why I run percentage vs mileage and work for smaller carriers vs the large ones

 

Twicebit,
I really dont care what you think of my posts bud, sorry to break it to you that way.
For those of us that have a boost gauge and a brain, we can ALWAYS beat the cruise control for mpg in hilly terrain. Speed is almost irrelevant for mpg, its the boost that burns fuel. Like I said, this is old news to most of us that have been at it for a decade or two.
Sorry bud, I come from a country where diesel was over $5 a gallon, when I left in 1999. Our legal weight was also greater than the 80k lbs that is legal here, and the hills were a lot bigger. Now, what can I "learn" from this book again?
There is absolutely no replacement for experience. Books, CD's, etc are all just some guy that wants to preach HIS way of doing it. The author lost me when he claimed that DPF and EGR don't have any adverse affects on diesel engines, but the untrained mechanics that work on them do the damage and cause unreliability. Again, those og us that were driving way before any emission standards became the norm can remember all the engines being mostly reliable, where as the same engines with EGR alone went downhill fast. Please explain why the displacement of engines had to increase, to get the same power that they used to with less dispalcement? It sure isnt the uintrained idiot at a TA shop that caused it is it?
No, you wont change my mind, as I have the EXPERIENCE to know what you try to preach is either already common knowledge, or total BS.
If that makes me arrogant, I'm fine with that. But then again, its been over 20yrs since I was a "wannabe" of any kind where trucking is concerned.

Martin

 

The mega carriers who pay mileage do not normally pay 100% of FSC, which is his point I think.
When I was leased on at Schneider Specialized, back when it existed and they were pulling the multi axle oversize stuff, I was on percentage of course. Another driver was on mileage, and they wouldnt them him go on percentage for some reason.
We both loaded at the same place one time out West coming back East. Both of us had 3 axle trailers at the time, and loaded the same load, same place, same destination.
I got @$1k more in linehaul, and a few hundred more in FSC! To say he was a little ticked off would be an understatement. Seems like when SSC had to show us percentage guys freight bills, it makes them a little more honest. Our weekly settlements also included a copy of the freight bills for the loads we hauled, kept them honest.
Mileage guys got the same pittance of a FSC regardless of what the customer paid. Total ripoff that happens to this day on mileage contracts.

Martin

 

Line haul rate % not fuel surcharge, we should always get 100% of FSC, anything less I consider criminal and should not be tolerated!

 

I have to agree with Martin of the fuel usage and power. having driven everything from a mechanical to an egr to an engine with the dpf/def the best running engine I have driven was the mechanicals and pre-egr. I always look at my boost and very rarely use cruise control. my mpg is usually 6.5 running a lot of hills and hauling heavy. may not be the best fuel mileage out there but I know people with same setup as me with same engine and they making 5 mpg so im doing something right. I know I am making better mpg with my pre-egr engine then any truck I drove with the def/dpf system doing similar work in similar terrain. personally I stick to older trucks and cat engines but that is my preference. I may only have 10 years driving and one year as an o/o but when somebody like Martin with 20 years and Sam with 40 years says something they are speaking from experience and I have always found when somebody who has been doing it for twice as long as I have its better to listen and to take their advice then to say they are wrong and arrogant or whatever.

 

The megas pay a set FSC that changes weekly IIRC. Regardless of what they get off the customer. I think SC used to send out a message to the mileage guys telling them what the FSC is that coming week. So if anyone gets that message, may as well grab the Vaseline now....
Our FSC is based on a % of linehaul up to a certain weight, then it bumps up more from there.
Call it criminal, and by all means go after them, but when every load pays the exact same FSC, wouldn't anyone with a brain get just a little suspicious?

Martin

 

Can anyone here think of an exception to this? In a place full of truck drivers? I can right off - divorce nearly always ends in a poor credit rating for someone. A spendthrift spouse. A failed previous business. Does everyone truly believe a divorce spells doom for the future of a small enterprise? Can anyone imagine what would have happened to all the big banks (ones that had such bad credit, they couldn't get any loan from anyone) that needed to get bailed out if they gave in? They wouldn't have gotten their big paydays back! Donald Trump, of 'that bum doesn't have a dime to his name, but he's about however many million ahead of me,' fame? Did he just give in and start counting the days til his SS check started coming? How many times did Abraham Lincoln fail? Like 8? Lee Iacoca? Fired at Ford, and brought Chrysler back from the brink?

A poor credit rating does not equal a future failure, or a failure for life, for that matter. Past results are not indicative of future earnings, as they say.

Risk takers are risk takers. I'll give the original post this though - if you truly believe it, then absolutely don't start a small business, because the attitude needed to make it work is not the attitude I take from what this guy is saying.

 

I would never settle for anything less than 100% of the fsc. what I am saying we take the linehaul rate and depending on customer contract and what the DOE says fuel prices was we take a percentage of the linehaul to figure what the fsc. just for example if a load pays 1k and we charge 38% fsc the fsc is going to be $380 and lh will still be the 1k

 

My customer uses a mileage matrix plus FSC. When I started as an O/O we where paid by the cwt plus fuel figured on a %. FSC is the result of legislation from JR KS Sen Bob Dole R, in response tothe last independent trucker strike in 1978.

 

I have always been the same, and paid on percentage like yourself. Our FSC is also a percentage of linehaul, so we are always covered. My gig with the combines pays fuel both ways, so my FSC alone is more than the van mileage guys get altogether most of the time.
Why anyone would do this job for 1.40-1.50 a mile is beyond me, as I have said before.

Martin