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Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by didntitellu, Jun 7, 2009.

  1. didntitellu

    didntitellu Light Load Member

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    I am asking for opinions here so let me provide a few details. I currently lease (yea i know, bad idea to begin with) a 05 Columbia. 670k miles and beat badly. I have had it 6 weeks and have been in the shop 5 times. The truck payments are reasonable and overall the truck is pretty sound. It is low spec'd and a rough ride.

    I have an opportunity to trade up to a 07 Pete 387 with less than half the miles. Cat engine instead of this Detroit. And the cost is roughly $150 a week higher. I have heard a lot of issues. Overall I have higher expectations for the Pete but no personal experience with them. Do they have as many issues as what I am hearing or am I talking to a bunch of ppl that just dont have a clue?

    For me ride quality is one thing I am considering and the increased fuel economy certainly is a factor. With the economy is it reasonable to think that a portion of the diff in my payments will be made up by higher MPG? Or will I loose so much time sitting at shops it just wont matter? I have heard there are turbo issues. I have been told the average cost of that repair is $2100.

    So please share your thoughts with me. Columbia vs 387?
     
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  3. Biscuit75

    Biscuit75 Road Train Member

    I personally love the 387. Mine was a 2005 with a C-15 CAT at 475 hp. Had a 13 speed and was decked to the nine's. Of course I went to a dealer and bought it, no leases for me. But I'd say you would like that truck over the Freightliner. I never had any issues with it. I had it for 2 years before I sold it to the bank (I leases on with 2 bad companies and got too far behind). When I bought it it had 127,000 miles. I think it had somewhere in the neighborhood of 400,000 after I sold it, so I ran it hard.

    As far as fuel economy, I guess that depends on what you haul and where you run. I ran a lot of heavy loads from Ohio to Phoenix or down to Texas or out to the east coast. I averaged in the 5.75-6.25 mpg range. I do think the Detroit gets better fuel millage. But if you get a newer truck you would not have the repairs you are having.

    Right now you can find 2007 387's on truck paper in the 300,000 mile range in the $60,000 range. So before you do a lease add up what your payments are. If you do a 4 year lease and the payments are more than $400/week your getting raped.
     
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  4. didntitellu

    didntitellu Light Load Member

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    Thanks Biscuit. This one will be a 10 speed rather than a 13. I would prefer a 13 but it is what it is. No issues from your turbo is definately a good thing to know. Purchase vs lease of course the purchase would be best every time, I agree. But for personal reasons this is my best option for now. I would be in a 3 year lease at roughly $450 a week. So apprx $70k to buy it out. A little higher than those in the truck paper but given my personal situation I think it's a fair deal.

    I do dry freight coast to coast. Most of my loads are LTL but with the market what it is they have been getting heavier and heavier. I am getting high 6 to mid 7 out of this old Detroit now. I usually run about 64 MPH and find that this truck seems to perform best there. Learning that truck may change that avg speed.

    Thanks for the reply. Good info and certainly helpful!
     
  5. RAMPAGE

    RAMPAGE Light Load Member

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    A 387 had many little problems that are annoying like wind blowing throught the window and rattling dash that i hate. Same as with the t2000 when your heavy and the wind is blowing pretty good the truck is not stable and you have to grip the wheel to have controll of the truck with is a pain in the ##### because it's a "aerodynamic" truck. As far as it braking down i have not heard a lot about that so i don't think that should be a problem. But if you ask me i would tell you to get a 379 since your already looking at a pete because it's a stable truck. To me what matters is that the wind is not throwing the truck around, comfortable ride, comfortable seat and bed and powerful truck so what i don't struggle when i'm going up and loaded heavy. That's just imo but then againg you might not like classics
     
  6. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    You will make more money trading up to a newer Columbia or Century that is not beat and has less miles. The payments should be lower than the Pete, fuel mileage with the Detroit will be better, and there are a lot more Freightliner dealers than Peterbilt dealers.

    A freightliner decently taken care of will go well over one million miles. I have driven two '04s recently on 2000 mile trips each, and each had over 1.2 million on them. They squeaked and rattled, but no worse than ones I have driven with a few hundred thousand on them, and definitely no worse than the Pete 386's we have with less than half the miles.

    Believe it or not, if the Freightliner doors are adjusted right, not the way they come from the factory, the wind noise is less that the Petes and IH's we have.
     
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