to all end dump haulers...

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by leo319, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Good advice Safeclean, thanks for adding it.

    Yesterday I was attempting to dump at our usual construction site. I got out looked, and seen that the trailer was not level, leaning in favor of the southerly wind. So I pull up, and back so that it wasn't leaning (as bad). This rock pile is on a hill of all things. Well about that time in pulls 3 framed end-dumps. Back up to dump along side of me. So I put my truck in gear pulled ahead, waited until they were finished, then backed up and dumped when they were gone.

    I wasn't concerned about their trailers laying down, as Frame trailers are much more stable. I was concerned that if mine went down, and struck theirs, I and my boss would be liable for the damage to their trailers and/or trucks, even though I was already there, in the process of dumping when they arrived. I would then have been unemployed, as we are not to dump in close proximity to another vehicle.

    Also you're right-on target about the construction workers, loader operators. This same site, one loader operator makes rude comments on the CB about us if we have to make several attempts to find a level spot. We know what channel he uses, and have listened to his comments. One time I was not in good mood, and let the sorry old S.O.B. know just what I thought of him.
     
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  3. Safeclean Services

    Safeclean Services Bobtail Member

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    Your Welcome!

    One of those frameless dumps that went over was a new kid whose was nervous and very cautious and one
    day the arrogant compactor operator rushed him and he laid it over . The operator was out of his machine
    smiling like it made his day ,The clown should have been fired.
     
  4. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Yep, that will do it, feeling rushed. One of the hardest things to overcome is listening to those a--holes. I know, I felt rushed when I first started out 7 months ago. However I was more concerned about being unemployed. When we encounter those types, what we tell them is, "Write me a check for $150k, and I'll back this up and dump it (over) right now, get out and walk away. Then you figure out what to do with your busted up rig". We've had some that wanted us to dump into a lay-down machine. Of course the machine would be pushing you. Same thing, no one pushes one of these rigs, unless you buy it first. Generally shuts them up.

    Also we're prohibited from dumping more than 4 piles with one load. The reason is that it can trash the hydraulic pump. Some have wanted 9 or 10 separate piles. We tell them we can do 4, but that's it, unless they want to fork over the $$$ before we dump. For some reason they become content with one.
     
  5. kajidono

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    He'd have been lucky to get fired and clear out before I got to him, and luckier that I got to him before one of the other drivers or the boss got to him as I'm probably the nicest out of the bunch.

    1. My rig isn't for sale, sorry, tough luck, and all that.

    2. That bit about about the pump going out if you use it to much is a bit hard to swallow. I actually ran a truck for a while that had the pump mounted to the front bumper and it could not be turned off. Always on, always running. Never had a problem out of it. It's a good scam to run on the guys that don't know any better though. I'll file it away for later use. :smt077
     
  6. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    You don't say what type of truck. Was it an end-dump? The hydraulic pumps on our trucks are PTO driven, and you don't shut it down, you could be lifting the bed while going down the road. I'm no expert on this, and it you could be right. However our boss, the owner, has this posted in the shop, in GREAT BIG LETTERS, including what the cost of a replacement pump is. I do know that when you have a lot of weight in the bed, when you lower it, the pressure can be enough to blow hoses or seals. You must be very careful and gentle so the bed doesn't just slam down.

    I know that it takes more than 4 times to trash the pump. I've had to raise/lower it more than that when it's been extremely windy. I think the owner does not want these construction companies getting into the habit of wanting us to dump dozens of piles. They are just being lazy, when they demand us to do this. They have the equipment to push it around where they need it. This only happens with Kiln Dust or Fly-Ash. All other materials we haul, salt or all the various rock (chips, screenings included) are just dumped in a pile).

    His rigs are not for sale too. However it does shut them up. I mean who in their right mind is going to spend $150k for a destroyed rig.
     
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  7. kajidono

    kajidono Road Train Member

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    It was a dump truck with a belt drive. The pump on the front of the engine drove the hydraulics to turn the belt and dump the rock out the back. Those trucks spend a lot of time being dragged backwards by the machine they were feeding so the boss eventually switched the whole fleet over to beds that you don't have to raise to offload. As far as I could tell it was a regular pump. He had it on the front because the transmission in that truck didn't have a PTO. We never had a pump torn up from leaving it on while driving but it would tear up the transmission.

    The ones I'm running now are like yours. We make sure they're off before we take off down the road. So far there's been one place that wanted the loads spread out because the road grader had a tough time with big piles. The other place that wanted piles here and there let us dump a whole load over there, then some loads over here, etc. Nobody's tried to get us to break them up like that yet.
     
  8. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    Where are all the Large car dump bucket drivers? I see alot of large car buckets running across I84 towards Connecticut and new york.

    If any of you are on here, are you hauling steel, scrap, dirt? just curious is all.
     
  9. abyliks

    abyliks Road Train Member

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    Salt, dirty dirt, stone, asphalt, depends on the day,

    Also it's no ones fault but the driver if a trailer goes over, if the lazy miserable pos union operator gets pissy I'll dump where ever I want and sign out, won't be the first time I've told them to go #### themselves and dump it in the parking lot and probably won't be the last. Or I will tell then stand next to the tandems
     
  10. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Well we had one laid down today. The driver has several years experience. So it matters not that you have been driving 1 day or 20 yrs, it can still happen if you get complacent.
     
  11. poppapump1332

    poppapump1332 Road Train Member

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    Scrap hauler for 5 years til last year miss pulling dump buckets but not all frameless trailers are more unstable then frame trailers I pulled a 45 foot jmh steel frameless where both axles stayed to the ground actually felt more stable then frame dumps especially grossed over 100,000 trailer is called the monster 4 by jmh
     
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