I have been looking around on this site for a long time and can't seem to find a thread that would be close to my personal situation so I finally decided to start my own thread. I want to buy a truck to lease on to the company I currently drive for. It is a smallish company with around 200 company trucks and about 8 o/o. I have been around this company for about 10 years. I love the company and it has a lot of great people and even the owner is a great man that shows up to the office every day and greets everyone by name and a firm hand shake which means a lot to me. As a company driver I average around 3200 miles per week, home every night and off every weekend running regional, and gross around 1k per week. Our O/O run the same loads that we do. There is no forced dispatch and you can pretty much walk in to dispatch and say, "I'd like to go to this place" and that is where you are going so your miles, or lack thereof, are really up to you. Now here are the details of the O/O program. I'm looking for advice on if it would be a wise investment to buy a truck and lease on or just stay a company driver.
-Truck: has to be 5yrs old or newer to lease on. Once it is on, it can stay as long as you like. I would like to stay in the neighborhood of $60k if possible.
-Fuel: We get 1 fuel-up per trip from at our yard i.e. If I were leaving today going to Indy, I can fuel up a the yard for free. I could stop in TN on the way back and put $100 in fuel at a truck stop to get me back and fuel back up for my next trip for free (atleast that is how our other O/O do it). We can get additional fuel at our yard if needed and it's heavily discounted because the owners brother owns an oil/fuel company in town and that is where we get our fuel. They set up an escrow account for fuel taxes and you get it and pay it quarterly
-Pay: The pay is .84cpm or .83cpm if they furnish the IRP tag. That seems low given what I see from other companies but I guess with the other "perks", it seems alright. $6.50 per drop/hook
-Freight: We haul for a major auto manufacturer. We go out and bring parts back. No multiple stops and it's all on company trailers so I will not have to buy a trailer.
-Maintenance and repair: We have a shop and get a discount on parts. O/O can use the shop and tools (which I have my own) to work on the trucks. I worked in our shop for 2 years before I started driving so most of the maintenance and repairs will be done by me thus cutting down on operating costs.
I spoke with almost all of our O/O and the lowest paid one I could find said he grossed $160k (he is not at base pay and I wasn't going to ask his cpm because that is a little tacky to me) and he took a good bit of time off because of family. I'm not in this business to get filthy rich but I feel that I can do better by buying a truck and leasing on with this company. If there are any other questions let me know and any and all advice will be greatly appreciated.
To be or not to be
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BulletProof, Dec 17, 2013.
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WTF????? LMAO You say pay is .84 PM and a O/O made 160K grossed= 190,000 miles that driver did in one year and took a lot of time off. Hummmmmmmmmm Please someone help me here. What did I miss? Am I the ONLY one smoking crack while reading and trying to figure this thread out?? I know where we can buy more (crack)if ya wanna join me.
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mjtrucking, L84AD8 and Richter Thank this.
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You did not mention any fuel surcharge. Do they pay it? Is it included in the .84? Also, you said go out and bring parts back, are you empty on the way out? How heavy on the way back? All this determines your bottom line. Not trying to belittle anyone, but it is a fact(at least the way I see it) ???,000.00 "gross" does not impress me ask the guy that "grossed" 160k how much he paid tax on,(that's the part that actually went into his pocket). What he paid tax on MUST be at least what you grossed as a co. driver for you to break even financially. When I say "what he paid tax on" I mean just that. The absolute bottom line on his tax return, after all expenses and deductions, but before his estimated quarterly tax payments. You don't say how much you are making as a company driver,(and I am not asking) but it is kind of hard to make a comparison if you don't give us something to compare it to.(again not asking for your wages) but if you are asking would I quit what I am doing to do that, based on the info you have provided I would have to respectfully decline.
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I don't know why I didn't post what I make as a company driver. I guess that would help wouldn't it?As far as what I make, I average between 3,000 and 3,200 miles per week (usually 4 day week) we are still on paper logs so read into that as you will. .33cpm and average gross per week is right at or just over $1k. I get killed on taxes so I usually net around $750. I would run more miles but I told them I wanted to stay close because my wife is 36 weeks pregnant so the little man will be here any day. If I had my own truck, I would definitely run more miles.
I guess my biggest question is is the perks with fuel and parts and having a shop and all that outweigh the low cpm? Even as a company driver, I've had a lot of people tell me that they wouldn't drive for .33cpm but I can be home every night if I want, Im home every weekend, I can be off any time I want, and we can pretty much pick our loads. Sometimes, the perks balance out the lower pay. I'm just wondering if they will balance out the pay when I have a truck payment. I can sit here and crunch numbers all night and I am pretty good when it comes to business and budgeting, but in the end, I would rather hear from people who live this every day rather than what my calculator tells me. -
I if the fsc was. 50Cpm and you were paid same mt and loaded and if you were allways that light and the stars were aligned just right it might work
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I'm assuming .84+ FSC? Are they waiving FSC do to free fuel? I dont get the whole fuel thing, but free fuel is major as fuel cost .50-.65/mile. If I were you i'd add tanks behind the main ones so my free fill up would be enough to get me round trip. The rate does seem low, but if you get the miles and free fuel its not bad. A lot of mega carriers pay around.94 plus around .36 fsc. That's 1.30 / mile. If you have a really efficient truck and would pay .50 for fuel, thats .80 before fuel cost. Your making .84 and free fuel. Thus your on par.
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Ask your boss if hed like to get rid of Co drivers and replace them with owner operators and look at his reaction. Because he ll clear around 25 cpm more and have much less headache with owners.
What does it tell you? That calls for net pay to be close to nothing
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