to flag or not to flag

NO I do not have to show anything on my log, I don't even flag it I am not required to!

I start at point A drive and get fuel and go to point B I show 6 hr of driving and no fuel stop on my log.

 

That is your choice.

However, I only show the city and state where the duty changed. When I fill up, I am not driving, so the duty changed.

Had an level 1 and the inspector asked for the last time I fueled the truck and the receipt for it. Provided it and then he looked at the log to verify that a change of duty happened at the city and state involved.

Also, if your records are pulled by the auditor during a company inspection, then you run the risk of false logs for not reporting the fuel stops.

As I stated, it is your choice.

 

If you stop to fuel your truck and do not show a change of duty status from "driving" to "on-duty, not driving", then your logs are false. It is irrelevant what your company says as they do not write the regulations. The guidance you quoted does not say that fuel stops do not have to be logged in some manner; it says the on-duty, not driving activities do not have to be noted specifically in the remarks. The stop itself must still be shown... unless you think you have perfected the art of fueling while driving.

 

Time requirements for a PTI/DVIR depend on what state you shut down in, IIRC. As a example, Indiana and Florida require at least 15 minutes.

In reality, a good PTI/DVIR will take you at least 20 or so minutes. Do what you log and log what you do.

What irks me is when company policy wants me to log 15 minutes for fuel, when it doesn't take me that long to fuel the truck even when my tanks are bone dry.

 

Just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean you have been doing it correctly. Regs state duty status changes must be logged. If the duration is under 15 minutes, flag it.

 

You might want to read that again.

The subject of Question 23 is identifying "work performed during a change of duty status". You still have to identify the change of duty status and the location (city/state) and duration.

What you don't have to show is "a description of on-duty not driving activities (“fueling,” “pre-trip,” “loading,” “unloading,”, etc.)"

When I check your log, I do not need to know WHAT you did, just where it was and how long.

Your company may not require you to log fuel stops, but FMCSA requires you to log all change of duty status locations.

Unless you can fuel up while still driving, that would be a change of duty status.

A side note - you all are familiar with abbreviations like PTI and TC in logs (pre-trip inspection and tire check). Years ago I had a guy that was putting PIPI in his log every few hours. New one to me. I asked him what PIPI stood for. He said, "You know - Pee Pee!." Too much information.......

 

Guys like Aggie = job security for me. Keep up the work.

 

What or how does this work for e- logs then , you just push a button too fuel the refeer then, still learning on them, thank's