To start Owner Operating or not????

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by ejohn, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. ejohn

    ejohn Bobtail Member

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    Hi,
    My husband drives a flatbed for a small company and things are going well. However he is thinking about getting his own flatbed truck and becoming an owner operator. My question is, is this a good idea. We are discussing it and talking to people who may know. Is it really financially better? Would he get less family time, or more ( we have three small children )? Is it very complicated to deal with the taxes involved and paperwork? What are the pros and cons? Please share good and bad and everything in between so we can make a wise informed decision. Any and all advise is appreciated.
     
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  3. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Are your finances sound? The taxes and paperwork are burdensome but not a dealbreaker. Running a trucking business means "time off" will likely clash with family time if he has mechanical issues that need his attention. Workloads will increase as will stress. Income could be less than a company driver in most situations or more depending on what his plan is.
     
  4. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

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    He will have to ask himself "WHY".
    What is it that your planning on doing with your own Authority...?

    Typically you see LESS time off, out more and income can in many cases be LOWER than what a company driver is paid.

    Some random thoughts come to mind:

    -How ARE your finances?
    -Can you buy a used rig outright?
    -If not, you will deal with a note that MUST be paid even if freight subsides...or the repo man will be paying a visit.
    -Do you have a hefty savings (Maintenance Account) of about $10k or more?
    If not, how will you handle ONE breakdown w/o going out of business?
    -Have you priced insurance? - How many years does he have and what is his driving record?
    How is his credit score? (thats a big one now)

    Insurance will be important. It can be very spendy for a guy starting out.

    ...just don't get caught in one of these fleeces out there.
    Those are solid downhill spirels of death :biggrin_25524:

    -JD
     
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  5. leftlanetruckin

    leftlanetruckin Road Train Member

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    Without knowing his circumstances as they are now, no way to answer accurately that I see.
    Need to know his experience level, his rough pay, his mechanical abilities (fixing a truck on his own etc), and so on.
    We also need a more accurate idea of him "buying a flatbed truck". Is he considering buying just the truck and leasing onto a flatbed company? Buying a truck and trailer and leasing onto a company? Buying a truck and trailer and getting his own authority to get his own loads? You get the idea.
    Not as easy to take time off when you have a truck and trailer to pay for while it's sat on the driveway too. The truck will always come first when he gets home. That means that if the truck needs maintenance etc, it will HAVE to be done before the fun stuff starts. As a company driver, he doesn't have to worry about that does he?
    To be honest, and please do not take offense to this, if he or you need to ask such basic questions, this probably isn't for you as a family. Too many good families have gone to hell due to the guy/gal buying a truck without knowing the ins and outs of the business.
    Best of luck either way.

    Martin
     
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  6. Sonbell

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    I agree with the above posts. Time off while you are an o/o is rarely really time off completely, very unlike working for someone else. When you work for someone else your time off is spent doing family fun stuff, as an o/o the time off consists of maintenance and paperwork first then the free time is to unwind, but you never completely get the business out of your mind, you are forever thinking about things that need to be done and the best ways of getting it done. I used to be able to remember things like basketball game dates and times without a calendar, now EVERYTHING my daughters need me to remember MUST be put on my day-planner. All family plans are now contingent on whether I'm gonna have to run a part or tire to my husband whereever he may be, providing that it'd be cheaper for me to do so than have a shop repair. If our children were still small I don't think I would have ever agreed to him buying his own truck and trailer, our youngest was 10 when he bought. We have been fortunate because we have had the support of all our children including the 2 adult children we have, they babysit their sisters when I go on the road with my husband (I recently got my cdl also). Please do consider the strain it will cause in the family dynamics, dad won't be able to be at every birthday party, anniversary, school concert, sporting event or weekend bbq, it doesn't mean he doesn't want to and sometimes the guilt will tear him up, which means you as mom will have to be that much stronger for your children and your husband.
    As for the good, he is a much happier person being his own boss, even with the different types of stress he must now deal with (we all must deal with).
    Good luck and best wishes.
     
  7. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    It is possible to manage home time with truck repairs and such, but it depends on the carrier he will be leased to and the type of operation he is considering. I don't have any parts stores nearby open after noon on Saturday, so when I do repairs, it is during the week and I don't truck that day. You could say I "lose" revenue, but I have that time off factored into my business plan, as repair downtime. Every truck and trailer will need it.

    Obviously, since you are not a driver, you most likely don't know what we need to give a valid opinion on whether or not it is a good move. If your husband is going to be leased to the same company he's driving for now, it will be fairly easy to see if the money will be right. Take last year and figure out what he would have made as an o/o, then subtract what he made as a compnay driver. This amount is what he'll have to pay for fuel, truck and trailer, truck insurance, maintenance, accounting, additional taxes that were previously paid as a company driver, workers comp or Occupational/Accident insurance, medical insurance, etc. If after all is said and done, there is a decent amount left over, IMO 15-30,000+ depending on the type of operation, it is worth it. A lot of guys jump in, not knowing what the costs will be, and end up making less than being a company driver.
     
  8. Allow Me.

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    The questions you ask are pretty basic and he should know the answers, IF, he's been around trucking any length of time. I'm sensing he's fishing for something better and believes it might be becoming an O/O.Mainly, it's the responsibility of truck payments/maintainence/billing/taxes/finding loads etc. If he's doing well as you said, I'd say stay put.
     
  9. ejohn

    ejohn Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for all your input. Are you guys flat bed o/o's? Aside from the obvious differences, is it a lot better to be a flat bed o/o?
    FYI, my husband was looking into buying a truck ( possibly leasing the trailer ), and getting a loan from the bank, getting his own loads, which apparently there is no problem to pick up good loads for flat beds.
    For the person who said these are basic questions.....yes they are but we all have to start somewhere. My husband may know the answer to some or all of these questions but right now I am looking for insight from anyone who has already been there. He has been trucking for about 4 years. Maintenance would mostly be done by a mechanic.
     
  10. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

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    That's not the best choice. I used to let others work on my rig until I got smart. Basically money was the convincing part....it adds up so fast it's not funny.

    -Have you looked into getting a loan from the bank?
    -Do you have a business case/plan to share with the bank?
    -Do you have any money towards the down payment and then the necessary maintenance fund?

    Please do not even think of using any Home Equity or 401k funds for this venture....:biggrin_25513:

    The one question people always want to know is "WHY" does someone want to be an Owner/Operator...I didn't see that question answered.

    ...just curious, so we can keep trying to provide proper advice..

    -JD
     
  11. ejohn

    ejohn Bobtail Member

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    Basically the answer to WHY?? is to pay off the house sooner and have more financial freedom in the long run. We haven't talked to the bank yet. Still early days. Anything but minor work would probably have to be done by a mechanic at this point. If my husband does the repairs not having the experience of a mechanic it would take a lot longer and time is money!!
    No, we basically have very little to put initial this venture but we do have a fund that could be for emergency repairs. He plans on setting aside money for that though.
    Are you a flat bed owner operator?
     
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