Finally got the old k100 under an 80000lb load, and I can't get it to go the speed limit outside of Chicago (not that traffic ever found its way up to 45mph anyway).
I've tried both 8th gear direct, and up into overdrive, as well as 7th direct and overdrive, and I keep getting stuck between 52 (2000rpm in 8th direct) and 62mph (2000rpm in 8th OD) on level ground like I'm lugging it, then dropping 2-3 gears on the mole hills up in Wisconsin/Minnesota. I was tracking my speeds with GPS since my speedometer cable has been binding, so these speeds are accurate.
The only thing I noticed out of the ordinary is that the pickup tank is nearly dry (pouring out vapor, too), and the driver side tank looks like it still has about 80 gallons left in it (fuel was probably under 150*F) after 500 miles today. I'll drop about 40 gallons in the pickup tank tomorrow and see if it helps. (2 rear tanks are closed if anyone is wondering)
The only thing that puzzles me is that every once in a while it'll just take off to 70mph (had the pedal to the floor all day) until I hit another hill, then its back to low speeds. Also, if I pick up speed on a downhill, I can maintain 70mph with the throttle, again, until I hit another uphill, and the 4 way flashers go back on. Also made sure I didn't have the engine fan on (its labeled backwards, so I made that mistake earlier today and lost about 5mph to the fan alone).
Inspected the throttle rod, and it had free travel as far as I could see behind the doghouse skirt.
Any ideas? Or is this just standard gutless behavior from the VT 903 set at the factory 290hp?
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Also made sure my interaxle lock isn't engaged.
Top speed bobtail and with just the trailer was 75mph.
Topping out at 62mph?
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by barroll, Jun 21, 2012.
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You're never gonna win any races with a full load but there's room for improvement. Have you checked the breakover arm on the throttle shaft for breaking over at full throttle? How about the fuel lines, have you replaced them? Sucking a little air into the fuel will make them run doggy and inconsistent.
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The fuel lines are probably as ancient as they can be before swelling shut. The crossover line bulges a bit going into the hard shell between tanks, so that was first on my list. I was looking to get all neoprene lines before I get a fuel pump rebuild as well. I'll give the lines to and from the main tank a good looking at while I'm getting unloaded, and can run just that tank if need be for a while with some new lines once I get some fuel in there.
Is there a good way to check the breakover arm on the throttle shaft with the truck running? My batteries (possibly the alternator as well) are toast, so the trucks running another day until I can get this load off and swap them out at a shop. Then I'll probably try to find a nice light load back home. -
There's an o-ring on the pump inlet fitting that commonly goes bad and can suck air as well. I'm betting you'll see a noticeable difference with a new fuel supply line and inlet fitting o-ring.
The engine needs to be shut down to check the break over at full throttle and you need a helper to work the peddle. Be sure and check it with the cab down.barroll Thanks this. -
Alright. Doesn't sound too costly for throwing parts at the problem. I'll see if Sioux Falls KW can squeeze me in for that today.
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4.44 rears and short rubber 62mph is about all your going to get at 2000rpms you should be able to get alot more power out of the 903 say 375-400
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WE used to call those 903s' 9 oh nothings. You have to remember those old engines are nothing like the ones that replaced them. As far as the kw dealer goes you might be better to flush the money they are gonna get from you down the toilet. It will produce the same results.You are gonna have to learn to do the work your self on that older equiptment.those 903s' will run 2500 or 2600 rpm that is the only way to go faster ,but what is wrong with 62? Treat it like an old man ,an old man can do a lot of work but he can not do it fast,also he can walk farther up a hill than he can run, your old truck is the same way.Is it a 903 or VT903.? also remember those old engines did not have much torque that is what gets you up and down the road. What kind of fuel milage are you wanting to see? I am guessing if (and a BIG IF) you get 5 mpg out of it you should throw a party.I ran a 318 detroit all around the country which is similar to your 903 up into 1988 or so I always got where I was going but it took a while running as hard as I could all day long it would average almost 45 mph, but guess what I made a ton of money with that old tractor and a huge profit also good luck those old trucks are great
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Did you buy this thinking you would be cool and found out how hard it really is to go back to the good old days.not saying you cannot make a go of it with the setup you have . Just take it slow and easy that engine was never known for power now some people ran them on propane to do truck pulls with and built some power but I would not reccomend that for over the road use,not even sure if that can be done today.2000 rpm is gonna be about right for your cruising speed. I would say run it at 2000 to 2100 and downshift when it drops to 1900 and see if that helps,that is how we would run the old small cam cummins engines.when the big cam engines came out in about 1978 they had an rpm range between 1200 to 2100 rpm unless you had a formula engine then it was 1200 to 1900 then about 1981 they were 1200 to 1800 rpm engines but the v8s like you had always ran high rpm some guys ran them up over 3000 rpm . I was not one of those guys.if you could find a good big cam 290 or 300 or 350 and change your rears to about 3.70 with thse small tires you could have a nice setup or leave thing the way they are and ride around slow and easy
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Don't be offended here, but what do you expect with 4:44 rears, small rubber, and an old engine that, like it was said, was known for NOT having power.
If you want power and speed, your in the completely wrong truck to start with. a K100 is quite literally a flying brick. Even a W900L is 5 times more aerodynamic than that. Second of all, your not running a big C15/C16 cat with a 13 or 18 speed and 3:55 or 3:36 rear ends.
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I know its a slow truck, but 62 was the BEST I was getting out of it. I'd get stuck at 45-55mph for up to 10 miles before I hit the right grade to get up to a sustained 62.
I've got it in the shop, and they've already gotten the throttle up to full throttle (which it wasn't doing), and they mentioned that its only running at 30% of normal boost pressure.
I do my own work on it when I can, but how am I supposed to be both in and under the truck to watch the throttle travel? How am I supposed to pressure test the fuel system with only a set of wrenches on me, since I've had to take planes and busses to get to the truck? Yesterday I installed new batteries, fixed a radiator and oil leak, adjusted the slack adjusters, and noticed a brake chamber was coming loose, and locked it down myself, all in a loves parking lot waiting to get into the shop. I do my own work, but I have limits.
I'd like to reliably be able to do 65 on flat ground, since 45 in a 75 zone is pretty #### near ticketable. I'm not expecting a race truck, but I was planning on adding propane and turning up the fuel pump once I get the kinks worked out, and it starts making a bit of money just to help it up the hills a little. It runs up to 2500 and does 75mph just fine bobtail or deadhead, and I'm not expecting to do that loaded.
I've been downshifting at 1700, so that might be where I'm going wrong. Should I downshift 8OD to 8 direct to 7 direct, or 8OD to 8 direct to 7OD to 7 direct?
I chose this truck because I can do most of the work myself, and once I know everything is working right, I'll be more prone to make a call that its working wrong, and get into it myself. Until then, I'm going to ask questions, and get help when I need it.
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