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Trade status for Drivers.

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by Trade up, Nov 11, 2010.

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  1. Nov 15, 2010 #31
    end of the road

    end of the road Heavy Load Member

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    You ain't no wordsmith either. Get a dictionary you ignorant goof.

    We all came from somewhere. Italy, England, Scotland, France, Russia, India, Pakistan, China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia and on an on. So which place did you come from?

    I am sick of reading crap like that on here. It is the most uneducated and ill-informed you can say.
     
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  3. Nov 15, 2010 #32
    Trade up

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    It's funny Immigrants have come into it. I can talk about making driving a trade and sometimes they looked puzzled as I explain it but they sure do understand the concept of making more money or better working conditions.
     
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  4. Nov 15, 2010 #33
    OntarioGuy

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    This all boils down to a dirty little cycle.
    Drivers want more money--
    Companies want more money.
    Shippers will ALWAYS try to cut transportation costs.
    Companies get on the phone to try to get loads backhauled
    Drivers sit till they get a backhaul--sometimes a really cheap one.

    I think there needs to be a, ( hard to word this right) standardised haulage rate, maybe a per pound rate enforceable by law.

    Did that come out right?
     
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  5. Nov 15, 2010 #34
    tinytim

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    Why do people think a union automatically means a huge increase in pay and benefits? The only thing it guarantees is union dues and more red tape.
     
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  7. Nov 15, 2010 #35
    Trade up

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    Timmy........not union,make driving a recognised trade,skilled labour.

    Ontario guy.....Standardised haulage rate,sure why not. Making driving a trade would see rates for drivers rise and good companies that have become adept at managing their overhead will excel while the gypsies and bottom feeders will go under pretty quick,whereas now they can remain competative and even thrive under the premise that there is always a cheaper driver out there willing to do the job.
     
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  8. Nov 15, 2010 #36
    tinytim

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    OK then tradey, trade union dues and more red tape.
     
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  9. Nov 15, 2010 #37
    OntarioGuy

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    I still think alot of the problem is shippers trying to drive the costs down.
    Which allows them to use the cut-throat companies
    But if they were required to pay a set cost to the companies--wages might come up
     
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  10. Nov 15, 2010 #38
    Lowbed

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    We had that until deregulation It was called "TARIFFS" and all carriers filed them.

    You could look up any carriers tariff and see what the rates are.

    In the US, the ICC used to do audits to make sure that carriers complied.
    It was quite common for a carrier to have a filed rate of let's say, $2.00 cwt based on 40,000 minimum. That would be $800.00 but what some got caught doing (rate cutters) is use the 40,000 weight and rate but in fact haul 44,000 or whatever. The shipper was still getting a better rate then the carriers that abided by their tariffs.
     
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  11. Nov 15, 2010 #39
    Trade up

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    Ontario guy......agreed. It is time for wages to come up.

    Tiny tim.........Not every trade pays dues,only if they are unionised. Auto mechanics don't belong to a trade union and they are tradesman,yet some belong to unions. Only pay dues if you want to join a union. RED TAPE? You drive a truck and that entails complete government control of your industry. All the branches of law enforcement that you deal with are unionised and make more money than you,plus they'll get a pension when they retire. Don't you think you deserve a pension or better wages?
     
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  12. Nov 15, 2010 #40
    Trade up

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    Lowbed.......You own or have owned trucks. Here's where making driving a trade will benefit owner operators.

    Training a new driver properly will result in two main things.
    1) A professionally trained driver will be better equipped to handle the issues that arise while driving,cutting down on traffic accidents(right now there are 130/day in Canada) which in turn will help to stabilise or lower insurance rates.
    2) Instead of drivers being cut lose they will "learn" how to operate a truck in all aspects. Maintenance and fuel mileage being a priority. With drivers undertsanding the costs of running a truck rather than just driving one we will (hopefully) see improvements in fuel economy and better fuel consumption results in lower demand hopefully lowering the costs of fuel.
    3) Fewer drivers coming into the job market. Fewer drivers means fewer trucks to move freight,freeing up more freight for brokers and seeing mileage rates increase to meet demand.

    We can all exist on the same plain with making driving a professional trade.
     
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