Trailer length and maneuverability

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by Bdog, Nov 27, 2015.

  1. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    That truck is not too far from me and it actually came up in my previous truck paper searches. 1 million miles and 16.5k with a hideous paint job. Lower mile single axles don't seem to be much cheaper than full size tandem trucks. My business seems to change so rapidly. If you asked me a few months ago if I was going to need something like this I would have said no way. Part of me thinks if I got a full size tractor I might could branch out and use it for other things or at the very least it would be easier to sell should I ever need to.

    On the trailer side a big gooseneck with heavy axles and good brakes really isn't any cheaper than these step decks I am seeing either.

    I don't know I keep going back and forth on it. I do see the added mobility of a smaller truck as a plus though.
     
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  3. Bdog

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    What size axles do you have on that gooseneck? Most the ones I see here are for hotshot guys with dually pickups. They have electric brakes and 10 or 12k axles. A 40' GN trailer probably weighs 10k so with that kind of load you must have heavier axles under it? Also the heaviest rated gooseneck coupler I have seen is 30k. With a 25k load and a 10k trailer aren't you over the coupler rating?

    What kind of HP does that N13 have? I have an international 4300 dump truck with a DT466 and with the dump box empty pulling my 17k backhoe on a pintle trailer it is a dog. Even a slight hill and it drops down to 40 mph.

    I don't anticipate going in real mountains but whatever I get will likely be driven about 1,000 miles per month by me and I don't want to be crawling down the road.
     
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  4. Arky

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    Yeah, I wasn't necessarily recommending that particular truck, just throwing out some options. As far as cost vs size of the equipment, you are correct. In fact, there are people who have found it cheaper in the long run to buy class 8 tractors to pull their fifth wheel campers and large horse trailers, etc. My suggestion for the single axle truck and lighter duty trailer was focused solely on the ability on the maneuverability of the combination.

    If you can be fairly sure that you can get into and out of the places you are going with the larger truck/trailer combination I would agree that it is likely the best. If your selling something of that sizemto farmers, it is likely that farmer has large trucks entering the property already, so it's probably not an issue. Farmers are also pretty creative when it comes to making room for a special situation. I grew up on a cattle farm and still live nearby. It's nothing to go out and start yanking fence posts out of the ground and pull the wire back if you need to get something through. Good communication with your customers on the logistics of getting onto their property will solve most of those issues.

    I would probably still look for the shortest trailer, or shortest from the king pin to the axles anyway. That would help on tight corners. When searching truck paper for the trailers, you can search by length. It seems you have to search for specific lengths though. Heck, just start out at 40', see what it gives you, then go to 41 and so on. You'll find something that even if you don't want THAT trailer, it gives you an idea of what you do want.
     
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  5. johndeere4020

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    Remember with a short trailer like that it limits your bridge which can limit your gross allowable weight.
     
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  6. Alberta trucker

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    I have a Load Trail GR30 that was custom ordered from the factory with tandem 15k axles, and upgraded to electric over hydraulic brakes. The trailer weighs 9800 pounds, and I use a Binkly hitch on the deck which is rated at 32k. A normal fifth wheel hitch will not hold up to commercial use very well, a binkly is designed for this daily use and is durable.

    The N13 has 430 hp and 1550 torque, more than I need but It gives me upside potential in the future to increase my trailer capacity when I decide to replace the gooseneck if I want to.
     
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    The reasoning behind the lager engine is longevity compared to say a cummins 6.7 or powerstroke 6.7 which are really pickup truck engines even though you see them in medium duty trucks they cannot have an in-frame done on them and have significantly shorter fluid change periods which all adds to operating cost of course.

    I wanted an engine in the 8-9 liter size but this Workstar was on the lot and had what I was looking for other than it having the larger engine, so I went for it.
     
  8. Bdog

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    Is your total load including the trailer 22-27k or are you putting 22-27k on the trailer making a gross load of 32-37k with the trailer weight included?

    Very interested in this option but if I put a 25k load on a trailer that weighs 10k I would be over the hitch ratings and probably close on the 15k axle ratings.
     
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    Yes that is trailer and freight, sorry I did not phrase that very well the first time.

    You can go with a normal fifth hitch like you see on the class 8 semi's. A fellow I know out of Calgary does that on his Freightliner and uses a gooseneck.

    The binkly might be available in other weight classes as well but I only have ever seen the 32k rating ones.
     
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  10. xsetra

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    I agree, I would buy a 48 step to go with the Pete. It sounds like it would be less out of pocket and the resale value would hold for you. Plus it gives you the flexibility of other loads when/if you go down that path.
    Good luck.
     
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  11. PeteyFixAll

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    If you're used to a dump truck and tag trailer, and it is manueverable enough, you should be fine with a regular semi and flat or step, Yes the trailer is longer but you can turn a lot sharper with a fifth wheel than a pintle ring. Also if you get regular tandems and slide them forward most of the way, which should be fine in the weigh your talking about, it'll act surprisingly short.. Spread axles and lowboys, on the other hand turn like a stone boat. .
    Also as mentioned, way bigger market, for work for, or to sell a big truck, should your direction change.
     
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