Trailer swing while backing and position of tandems?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by expedite_it, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I found that out the hard way myself once a long time ago on a day I was delivering to a marina and I tail swung into a boat trying to turn around. That was with a short trailer with a tandem all the way back, with the only thing between the second axle and the end being the liftgate.
     
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  3. MidWest_MacDaddy

    MidWest_MacDaddy Road Train Member

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    Good point!!!
     
  4. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    I am now 100% sure that the tandems are the pivot point. The youtube video that someone included in an early post on this thread convince me that CR England is right. I know that CR England is right that if you are driving forward out of a parking spot and turn the steering wheel to the left, the rear of the trailer will go farther to the right if you have the tandems all the way forward than if the tandems are all the way to the rear. So if you continue to argue this, you are just making a straw man.

    I am more concerned about WHY the tandems are the pivot point.

    But the entire trailer will be catching friction. The trailer cannot pivot everywhere.

    I'm not trolling. I'm just interested in learning.
     
  5. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    I actually think I am starting to understand this. The fact that the tandems are on the ground makes the tandems the fulcrum in the same way that the fact that the fulcrum point of the seesaw is on the ground makes the fulcrum of a seesaw the pivot point.
     
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  6. buddyd157

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    i saw no reason for me to worry about tail swing, in any of my jobs. many times i'd be driving, and delivering/picking up at night.

    so for me, no real issues to care about trailer swing.

    and as i mentioned, i drove into downtown Boston nightly, where you had better have the tandems all the way forward for the 53 footer i had.

    the trailer pivots, period

    why make a big deal/issue about this?

    the pro's do it carefully

    the steering wheel holders, do it recklessly.
     
  7. MidWest_MacDaddy

    MidWest_MacDaddy Road Train Member

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    Thus why trailers have tandems. It eliminates the multiple variables of dragging a metal box across the ground.

    It’s simple because the trailer will naturally pivot at the tandems. It is a known, expected, and repeatable example of physics in action.

    Just because one may not know everything needed to identify the friction points between ice and trailer doesn’t make backing a trailer something “deep”.
     
  8. Kyle G.

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  9. MidWest_MacDaddy

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    Success!!!

    Glad the thread could help.
     
  10. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    The tandem is the pivot point because that’s what’s holding the trailer up.

    Are you getting confused because you’re looking at the END of your trailer when you’re backing and your trailer seems to follow a path other than what you’re expecting it to? Is that the heart of the issue here?
     
  11. God prefers Diesels

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    I was going to answer, but @MidWest_MacDaddy nailed it.


    You are correct. But that's only in a perfect scenario. Instead of a trailer, picture pulling a wet ice cube shaped like a trailer on top of a sheet of wet ice. No friction, no pivot points, so on and so forth.

    But now go back to the actual trailer. You could get the same results as the above scenario, until the edge of the trailer catches an imperfection in the ice for example. Now that part of the trailer will become a pivot point briefly. And it will happen over and over at different parts of the trailer. As said above, tandems force a repeatable and predictable pivot point.
     
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