Transmission losses on dyno

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  1. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    My Scania made 752,7 HP to the wheels (single drive axle) at 2200 rpm, transmission losse were 46,8 HP, fan was not on. That makes 799,5 HP at the crank. Procentual loss is ~6%. Stock 460 HP engine with same transmission loses about 10%. If I use 10% loss with modified engine I get 836,33 HP at the crank. Nice numbers to tell at truckstop..
     
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  3. lv gn

    lv gn Heavy Load Member

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    those are nice numbers! did you get any TQ. numbers? what kind of transmission are you using?
     
  4. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    Only 2118.5 lb/ft 1700 rpm, turbo is so big that it spools only after 1600 rpm, I will change a program to rev it to 3000 rpm or maybe more, then it will propably make over 1000 hp to the wheels.

    Transmission is stock, 14 speed Scania synchro box and single drive axle.

    Engine burns clean when the boost is up.

    http://jussit5r.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Rask...%20Hakkinen%20Power%20Day%202010/13video2.MOV
     
  5. lv gn

    lv gn Heavy Load Member

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    thats cool! very nice!
     
  6. peterod

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    What do you haul Lenny and btw nice truck
     
  7. Coal Bucket

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    The dyno itself can cause variances in hp results, depending on how hot or cold the water is for the rollers... Ever been to a dyno shootout and seen them dump ice in the water mid day? .. hot / cold water what makes more hp? I know my opinion what's your's?
     
  8. V8Lenny

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    This was an electric retarder type dyno, (Telma), no water. There shouldn't be any variable in hydraulic types either, torque is always measured mechanically at the rollers.

    This thread was about transmission losses, MAHA is the only big rig dyno brand I know that can test transmission and tyre losses, others use some fixed procentual value that is never even close to thruth.
     
  9. Coal Bucket

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    Thank you for reminding me what the thread was about.. I wont ever make that mistake again...I was actualy agreeing with you.. There is a differance between steaming hot water and cold... Yep its measured mechaniclly, but its whats being used to load the rollers that will make a differance...Point being if there is a differance how can you calculate an exact percentage? I've heard the rule of thunb is between 15- 20% but often wondered how accurate that was..To be honest never heard of the dyno's you mentioned, sorry all the ones I used around here are differnt...I guess I learned somthing today.. So quick to point out how wrong everyone else is even when they agree with you......
     
  10. Coal Bucket

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    Just throw this out there...... Where exactly did the man say any thing about the bigger hp #'s the bigger the % of fan loss... simply stated what cat uses for a basline on stock engines, and gave a average hp loss to show how they come up with their figures... doesnt say any thing about you being wrong, or disagreeing with you .... almost sounds like he might actually agree with you.... who knows... I'm done ..have a good day
     
  11. V8Lenny

    V8Lenny Road Train Member

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    I don't understand you and seems to me you don't undestand me. Who was agreeing me and who not? My opinion was cold or hot water doesn't make a difference because torque (and power) is measured mechanically at the rollers. What's your problem?
     
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