truck and trailer question

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Stroked F550, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    Hi guys

    I have a 52ft step deck with a 9ft upper deck the king pin is set 18" back from the front.

    Can I use a tandem axle truck with this trailer?

    What spec'd truck would I need to get for it work with the trailer to provide adequate clearances?



    thanks,
    Andrew
     
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  3. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    The chart gives the required landing gear clearance, but you can assume that is clearance to the lower deck. This is an old chart based on 10:00 x 22 tires. The distance from the king pin to the landing gear must be greater than the distance from the center of the fifth wheel and the rearmost portion of the outside dual tire. Allow clearance for chains if they are required.

    The chart uses "fifth wheel setting", not king pin setting. Nevertheless, a fifth wheel setting of 18" will require a landing gear clearance of 63" for a single axle. The numbers for a tandem must mean a setting forward of center between the axles. In that case, a setting of 18" will require landing gear clearance of 82".

    For comparison, a fifth wheel centered over the axle or between the tandems will require landing clearance of 53" and 69" respectively.

    There is also a chart for trailer swing clearance for you drivers with short wheelbase. On the chart, kingpin settings are matched with kingpin swing radii.

    I assume you have 108" minus 18", or 90" to play with. A tandem tractor requires 69", so you could slide the fifth wheel forward of center 21". The rig was designed for a tandem. That is the reason for the short king pin setting.

    As usual, that is my opinion as a driver and I stand to be corrected.

    This info came from Commercial Car Journal, July 1969, page 123.
     
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  4. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    yes I have 108-18 so I got 90" to play with.

    So I shouldn't have any problem hooking up my trailer to a tandem truck?
     
  5. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    I don't see a problem. The 18" kingpin set back is key. I think you have plenty of room, but select a tractor with removable mud flaps if it is close.
     
  6. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    ok great....

    so to confirm

    so basically if the 5th wheel hitch is centered between the axles I need 69" of clearance from the front of the trailer to the landing gear.

    and if the 5th wheel hitch is forward of the center between the two axles then I need a clearance 82" from the front of the trailer to the landing gear

    Is that right?

    I am a little paranoid lol
     
  7. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    NO. The measurement is from the center of the fifth wheel, or from the pin to the landing gear.
     
  8. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    oh I thought were talking about the placement of the 5th wheel hitch on the truck.


    for like a pete 379 with tandems that has a wheel base of 262"

    what would the distance from the center of the 5th wheel to the end of the tractor be?

    also what would the distance be from the center of the fifth wheel tothe rearmost portion of the outside dual tire?
     
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  9. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    With the fifth wheel centered between the tandems, the distance from the coupler to the end of the tractor frame will be about 52" depending how the frame was cut off or tapered. I estimated that from the drawn to scale illustrations on the chart.

    The distance to the outside rear edge of the tires is dependent on where the fifth wheel is slid. Some tractors have a welded stop that prevents the fifth wheel from being slid behind center because it takes weight off the steer axle. The distance from a centered fifth wheel on a tandem to the outside tire is 69". Tire sizes will make a small difference. The wheel base of the tractor is irrelevant to landing gear clearance because differences in wheel base are ahead of the fifth wheel.
     
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  10. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    thank you very much for the info. Thats shorter then it is on my Ford F550 which is 56" from the center of the 5th wheel to the end of the tractor.

    approximately what would be the total length of a Pete 379EXHD that has a 260WB?

    also what would be the distance from the center of the 5th wheel hitch to the back of the sleeper of this truck if the sleeper is a 63" model with a 260WB?

    thanks,
    Andrew
     
  11. badcompany

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    hook to it and measure b4 purchasing but it should be less than 75'
     
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