Truck Started Cranking By Itself, key in the off position.

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  1. Lyle H

    Lyle H Road Train Member

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    They do when you are trying to first start the engine but he said his engaged when the engine was already running.
    I’m not sure how he could have even heard that.
     
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  3. 5UG

    5UG Light Load Member

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    Yes- We've combed over both fuse boxes, we've searched high and low. We've actually found the target wire, but we haven't been able to locate the exact location of the breach. We know the problem is with the starter signal wire. There is a short to power between the starter signal wire and the ignition power supply wire. . . But, alas, as is so typical with Paccar, we're on an electrical hunt trying to find the exact source of the problem. It seems like it should be easy given what we know so far. It's not.

    For the sake of time, we hope to bypass the ignition switch and install a starter push-button. Then we're tapping out on this quest and sending it off to Mark- the "electrical guru." We'll see what he comes up with.

    This incident definitely took us by surprise. We were moments, if not seconds away from major catastrophy- it was ready to catch indeed. It was the end of the day; the tool shed was just locked-up, the tool truck just pulled away. Lucky there were channel locks in another truck parked nearby. It was quite a sight to behold: A chicken with it's head cut off at night, in the dark, trying to disconnect the smoking battery terminal with channel locks. . . And no gloves to boot!

    Sorry to hear about your wife's Trail Blazer. What a nightmare! I can imagine the scene trying to locate a wrench! We're probably gonna put kill switches in and we're definitely gonna make sure there's an easy access wrench in each battery box, because, while it's rare, and "shouldn't" happen again, ya just never know!

    Thanks so much for the reply, sorry for the delay getting back to you. Hope all is well.

    Kind regards,
    5UG
     
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    Yep- you're right on. We've replaced the ignition switch and checked over the other usual suspects, but the problem seems to be the starter signal wire. There is a short to power between the starter signal wire and the ignition power supply wire. We've not been able to find the exact source of the breach. We're handing it over to Mark, one of the local professionals with a niche for electrical. And I couldn't agree more regarding "Since it's a Paccar... Check the wiring harnesses." It's almost always a wiring issue with these trucks! Rarely does a part replacement cure the problem and/or code. Not that one should just throw parts at it, but you get a specific code, and it only points you in the right direction, it doesn't actually solve the riddle. Even with a good computer, there's still a great deal of process-of-elimination style, troubleshooting/problem solving involved. At least that's been our experience. Maybe we're doing wrong.
    Hope that makes sense.

    Thanks for the feedback- this was/is a real humdinger. This truck actually has a couple issues. I think we're close to solving the puzzle though. Hopefully Mark can figure out the last few pieces.

    Fingers crossed.

    Thanks again for your reply!

    Kind regards,
    5UG
     
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  5. SmallPackage

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    We had an old Ford F800 with a 5.9 Cummins catch fire on the Houston Beltway back in 1998. 10or 15 mins after it was started up and left a drop and then hit the hwy at full speed. Starter solenoid apparently arched solid to the main battery cable post and never stopped turning. The bendix released from flywheel but starter just kept rotating till it got so hot it caught fire. Driver never heard a thing out of ordinary.
     
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    5UG Light Load Member

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    That is the stuff nightmares are made of. Seriously. Dare I ask how it ended?
     
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    Update:
    We buttoned everything back up at the ignition switch so we could bring the truck to Mark, (the hard to reach electric whisperer), tomorrow morning, and voila, everything seems fine. I think we're back to a solid state of function, but this truck has had us feeling a bit like we're in a game of Russian roulette. (Aside from this random cranking issue, it kept de-rating in the middle of loads due to an SCR issue for no good reason). We don't know the truck that well as it's new to us, and we didn't get off to a great start, but it looks like we were able work it out.

    I think it's already been posted, but just in case:
    It was a short to power to the starter signal wire. We never found the breach. We bypassed it with a push-button, and will be putting a kill-switch in for good measure. We don't anticipate any more cranking in the meantime, but, apparently, ya never know!

    Thanks for all the feedback! Wish I could say the stories were a comfort, but, not so much. They were fun to read, and I appreciate the replies, but no comfort at all. Haha

    Anyway, thanks again,
    5UG
     
  8. SmallPackage

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    Not bad considering. Engine and under hood was kept clean and I always remove the insulation mats from under the hoods because that is just a fire waiting to happen anyway. So it didn’t have really anyway to spread so not much to fix, but it was 6 years old and had a little over 250,000 miles on it so insurance wanted to total it anyway. So we traded it for one of the last new Peterbilt 330’s with a baby Cat in it.
     
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    Wow, that was a lucky break- No pun intended!
    Thanks for getting back to me on that. . . What a crazy situation.
     
  10. snicrep

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    Also if you have bolt cutters or pruners by chance
     
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    5UG Light Load Member

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    I responded below, meant to include you in the reply so you know I've responded- still learning the forum controls. . .

    Kind regards!
    5UG
     
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